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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:16 pm

I see that Alec Baldwin is going for the Billy Connolly defense:

A big boy did it and ran away.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:17 pm

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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:33 am

This kid should be interviewed by Sam Harris so he can tell Sam to shut the fuck up!

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:52 am

Lsuoma wrote: I don't see what's not funny about a fire in an orphanage?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:49 am

Bhurzum wrote: Just watched "The Last Duel" (Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Adam Driver, numerous other stars) - very enjoyable movie. Slow paced but packed with intrigue, very well acted and the budget/production values looked stellar!



Oh, and Matt Damon, not an actor I usually rate, was brilliant as the brutish Jean de Carrouges!
Two points in its favor:
- Ridley Scott
- the feminizi reviewers hate it.

I've always liked Damon, but find Affleck a lightweight. The two BFFs had a bit of a falling out over Obama, but apparently all it takes to get them back together is a Driver.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:35 am

Vax doubles rate of heart disease, studies corroborating findings being suppressed:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/1 ... ks-afraid/

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Bhurzum » Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:01 am

Just watched "The Last Duel" (Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Adam Driver, numerous other stars) - very enjoyable movie. Slow paced but packed with intrigue, very well acted and the budget/production values looked stellar!



Oh, and Matt Damon, not an actor I usually rate, was brilliant as the brutish Jean de Carrouges!

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:58 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: The BB makes fun of everyone.

The Onion, SNL, Kimmel and the rest, only sneer at, insult, and disparage members of the out-group. It's funny in the same way making the one-armed jew shovel snow in Schindler's List was funny to the nazi guards.
When it comes to comedy, Jimmy Kimmel is on par with Amy Schumer, anal rape and a fire in an orphanage.

Same with that specky cunt John Oliver.
I don't see what's not funny about a fire in an orphanage?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Bhurzum » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:09 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: The BB makes fun of everyone.

The Onion, SNL, Kimmel and the rest, only sneer at, insult, and disparage members of the out-group. It's funny in the same way making the one-armed jew shovel snow in Schindler's List was funny to the nazi guards.
When it comes to comedy, Jimmy Kimmel is on par with Amy Schumer, anal rape and a fire in an orphanage.

Same with that specky cunt John Oliver.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:49 pm

The BB makes fun of everyone.

The Onion, SNL, Kimmel and the rest, only sneer at, insult, and disparage members of the out-group. It's funny in the same way making the one-armed jew shovel snow in Schindler's List was funny to the nazi guards.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:40 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:47 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:17 am
Worth signing just to piss of Dillacunty?

BTW, I now understand why the CoConspirators like Babylon Bee so much:

https://babylonbee.com/news/delta-varia ... -blah-blah
CoConspirators? Hoo-Y-Wot?
Previously, Lsuoma professed that one must "have no sense of humor" or be "a crusader" to fail to appreciate an Onion link.

Now Lsuoma confesses that Lsuoma fails to see the humor in the Babylon Bee, unless it conforms with his political opinions. So: ideologue 'crusader', then.

The mystery of why I like the Babylon Bee so much-- can be solved by reading my posts about the decline of the Onion. The Bee is written by a dedicated "writers' room", who bounce ideas off each-other, riff & hone, care about the quality of their jokes.
I don't get the conspirator part. What I will say about the BB link is that it was mildly funny and quite honestly pretty accurate. Nobody in my neighbourhood gives a crap about the scary virus anymore, their main interest is in whether or not the thing causes more restrictions on their lives. No, they aren't just ignorant, they've weighed up the risks on the available evidence and decided they'd rather live their lives and breathe freely than cage themselves and wear uncomfortable face nappies everywhere. Most of the more formal retail outlets have mask policies and we're happy to oblige but don't bother in the corner shops and such like. The attitude is that we'll take whatever precautions don't mess too much with our lives and worry about Sharona if we actually catch it. Governments seem deeply concerned that their flocks are not being controlled by fear.

Thing is, I will bet that if you put that BB article on the Onion some would read it as a satirical poke at the "anti-Covidians".

Lest there be any anti-vaxxer assumptions, I am vaccinated, not that it's anyone's business.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:26 pm

In regard to Epstein, what's the difference between Clinton, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, anyone-else who flew on Epstein's jet... and Trump?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:22 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I was thinking more of elements of the never-Trump electorate....They're almost nihilistic
Ah. Yeah. I don't think there's a magic tipping-point, where things get bad-enough for them to suddenly jolt awake.

But I do think their 'blue pill' existence is only possible-- because they're insulated from the visceral downsides of their worldview.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:07 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I cannot understand the continued "meh!" from the never-Trumpers who claim to be wise to the ultra-progressive lunacy and helped inflict Biden on the world.
I think the never-Trumpers' definition of 'victory' is themselves holding the majority in Congress, the presidency, a judicial majority.

So if the Dems fuck-everything-up, and that drives voters to the GOP: that-alone equals victory & game-over. ... the GOP doesn't feel obliged to actually fix the mess, against continued Dem resistance. The GOP are content to position themselves as the lesser-of-two-evils.
I was thinking more of elements of the never-Trump electorate, more specifically the ones who engage in political discussion in places such as this one and can't see beyond Trump's flaws, never seem to notice the copious evidence of actual criminality engaged in by state actors against enemies of the political and administrative elite or vote according to one very narrow interest regardless of the consequence. They're almost nihilistic AFAIAC and their tolerance of the open devaluation of the system of checks and balances, privileges of citizenship and national security is disappointing.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:47 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:17 am
Worth signing just to piss of Dillacunty?

BTW, I now understand why the CoConspirators like Babylon Bee so much:

https://babylonbee.com/news/delta-varia ... -blah-blah
CoConspirators? Hoo-Y-Wot?
Previously, Lsuoma professed that one must "have no sense of humor" or be "a crusader" to fail to appreciate an Onion link.

Now Lsuoma confesses that Lsuoma fails to see the humor in the Babylon Bee, unless it conforms with his political opinions. So: ideologue 'crusader', then.

The mystery of why I like the Babylon Bee so much-- can be solved by reading my posts about the decline of the Onion. The Bee is written by a dedicated "writers' room", who bounce ideas off each-other, riff & hone, care about the quality of their jokes.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: I cannot understand the continued "meh!" from the never-Trumpers who claim to be wise to the ultra-progressive lunacy and helped inflict Biden on the world.
I think the never-Trumpers' definition of 'victory' is themselves holding the majority in Congress, the presidency, a judicial majority.

So if the Dems fuck-everything-up, and that drives voters to the GOP: that-alone equals victory & game-over. ... the GOP doesn't feel obliged to actually fix the mess, against continued Dem resistance. The GOP are content to position themselves as the lesser-of-two-evils.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:26 am

Service Dog wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:14 am
"While our existing policies and Twitter Rules cover explicit instances of abusive behavior, this update will allow us to take action on media that is shared without any explicit abusive content, provided it’s posted without the consent of the person depicted."

Aww, welll... at least the trannys won't be able to doxx J.K. Rowling's address again. (Except that was already forbidden under the previous doxxing policy. So gee I wonder why that wasn't enforced? Hmmmm?)
That little statement, as written without further context, essentially means that they can crap on anyone at at any time if they offend Twitter's police or anyone they consider on the home team.

Twitter is now explicitly just another institution implementing CRT.

Just to bore everyone here's another James Lindsay video explaining his journey to voting Trump. This was before the 2020 election. He could see quite clearly that the Democrats were in the grip of CRT and where they were going, that they regard the Supreme Court as constituted, the constitution and the structures of government as impediments and that they consider themselves to have the moral right to bend them to their taste. The gaslighting of the US was plain to see. I cannot understand the continued "meh!" from the never-Trumpers who claim to be wise to the ultra-progressive lunacy and helped inflict Biden on the world. And to harp back to the 2020 US election, in the light of what has been said and done since along with the "fortifying" and loosening of impediments to fraud, why would any sensible person think for a moment that the current Democratic Party would hesitate for a second to do whatever it takes to win an election? Why is this a whacky conspiracy theory when it is really just taking the left at their word? Now social media and the US administration are aligned in their intention to muzzle opposition. I hope to fuck that the US midterms deliver serious payback because the world badly needs a stable reference point for the principles of personal freedom and a military check on CCP expansionism by a nation not ashamed of itself.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:47 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:17 am
Worth signing just to piss of Dillacunty?

BTW, I now understand why the CoConspirators like Babylon Bee so much:

https://babylonbee.com/news/delta-varia ... -blah-blah
CoConspirators? Hoo-Y-Wot?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:14 am

New Twitter CEO -- off to a bad start

Immediately bans journalists (such as Andy Ngo) reporting on revolving-door violent criminal repeat offenders... by posting mug shots & rap sheets.

Citing the 'disproportionate' effect on protected groups: cunts, BLM grifters, Arson-punks, foreigners:

"The misuse of private media can affect everyone, but can have a disproportionate effect on women, activists, dissidents, and members of minority communities."

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/c ... icy-update


Heaven forbid-- such reporting might have caused the Waukesha children-and-grandmas-killer to pay a 'disproportionately' higher bail than the average white arrestee in Waukesha.

The new policy isn't-just for darkies, tho. Going forward-- Twitter users must obtain permission from Hunter Biden, before publishing any information obtained from his laptop:

"While our existing policies and Twitter Rules cover explicit instances of abusive behavior, this update will allow us to take action on media that is shared without any explicit abusive content, provided it’s posted without the consent of the person depicted."


Aww, welll... at least the trannys won't be able to doxx J.K. Rowling's address again. (Except that was already forbidden under the previous doxxing policy. So gee I wonder why that wasn't enforced? Hmmmm?)

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:54 am

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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:17 am

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:17 am

Worth signing just to piss of Dillacunty?

BTW, I now understand why the CoConspirators like Babylon Bee so much:

https://babylonbee.com/news/delta-varia ... -blah-blah

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:52 am

Bhurzum wrote: Quick, light the "Steers-signal" :P
:)

Thanks for the heads-up. Though I hope you realize that you're helping me in my "battle against the actual Feminazi usurpers to [my] throne" - as Service Dog poetically if inaccurately put it recently ... ;)

But looks like an interesting read though one I'll have to put on the back-burner for a bit. However, while I generally support the efforts of that Women's Human Rights Campaign, I think there are a number of proverbial flies in the ointment, some quite serious if not fatal flaws that are likely to vitiate their best efforts if not come back to bite them on the arse.

In particular the definition they seem to endorse and which is promoted by the UN:
Sex is defined by the United Nations as “the physical and biological characteristics that distinguish males from females.’’
But the question is, WHICH biological characteristics? Aye, there's the rub. Particularly as most "women" rather desperately refuse to accept the standard biological definitions for the sexes based on having functional gonads.

Somewhat similar is the UN's definition for gender:
Gender refers to “the roles, behaviors, activities, and attributes that a given society at a given time considers appropriate for men and women… These attributes, opportunities and relationships are socially constructed and are learned through socialization processes.’’ (Gender Equality Glossary, UN Women).
Some evidence that those "behaviours", in particular, are not simply "socially constructed", that many of them are, to a greater or lesser extent, determined by various innate biological factors that are more or less unique to the sexes. "maoist feminist sociologists" don't seem to have learned much from the general failure of various marxist revolutions.
Bhurzum wrote: https://twitter.com/Matt_Dillahunty/sta ... 0513266693

That fat cunt Dillahunty will rue the day...
Indeed. He, along with far too many others, may well have his heart in the right place, but his head seems to be well up his arse; good intentions, roads to hell and all that.

Ran across this the other day - courtesy of a tweet by Hunny Bunny - "a website dedicated to feminist transgender women in the UK":

https://www.stephsplace.uk/

I actually have some sympathy for some of their arguments or at least for their plights. However, the problem is of course that their "delusions" more or less necessitates a claim that "sex is a spectrum" - which "useful idiots" like Dillahunty promote - which leads to the corruption of biology - Lysenkoism in a nutshell.
My sex is a trans woman - (sex is a spectrum).
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/sa ... -spectrum/
Going to be hell to pay to untangle that Gordian Knot.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Bhurzum » Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:35 am

Quick, light the "Steers-signal" :P



That fat cunt Dillahunty will rue the day...

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:11 pm

Service Dog wrote: ... the witness's speech impediment & autism-like demeanor.
ADA Fatty Arbuckle seemed totally clueless to the obvious, that de Bruin was on the spectrum. I loved how Arbuckle sneers, "you omitted those details, yet you felt it important to tell the police that the overturned porta-potty smelled bad." de bruin: "It did."

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:17 pm

Today-- Rekieta Law livestreamed an interview with Rittenhouse trial witness Nathan DeBruin-- a Kenosha resident & citizen-photojournalist-- whose photographs were used as evidence in the trial.

Although called as a Prosecution witness, DeBruin's trial testimony hurt the case against Rittenhouse-- when he testified that the prosecutors had summoned deBruin to their office & encouraged him to change his sworn testimony. <--which would be witness tampering.

At that point in the trial, the prosecutor's questions became combative toward their own witness-- and the appearance of bullying the witness was compounded by the witness's speech impediment & autism-like demeanor. The witness held-up well against the Prosector's questioning-- he managed to convey frustration at the Prosecutor repeatedly twisting his words/ while still remaining cool & cooperative.

In today's livestream-- deBruin described the pre-trial meeting in the Prosecutors' office: ADA Binger showed deBruin a blurry photo of a man & asked if deBruin could identify him. DeBruin said he could not. Then Binger said the man in the photo was Ziminski. Then Binger picked-up the photo again-- and asked DeBruin who it depicted. DeBruin acknowledged [I'm paraphrasing]-- 'you just told me that is Ziminski'. Then Binger said, 'So... do you want to change your sworn testimony to identify that as Ziminsky?' deBruin declined to do-so. deBruin testified under oath that he felt pressured. Binger is also the prosecutor in the trial of Ziminsky-- which is scheduled for January 2022. Binger has named deBruin as a witness in that trial.

Today's livestream really sizzled my brain-- regarding the implications of changing one's sworn testimony. Doing-so... even in an good-hearted attempt to provide more clarity & truth for the record... can be used by an opposing lawyer... as a cudgel... to impeach your honesty & accuracy. Nasty!

The first half hour of the livestream is a pleasant conversation, getting to know the photographer. He seems very pure-of-heart. Then there's a vivid (and therefore kinda-intersting) telling of his firsthand close-up perspective on the shootings. (He says Huber hit Kyle with the skateboard once-- before Kyle fell to the ground, a detail largely-overlooked in the trial testimony.) I think the witness-tampering description occurs around 30 or 34 minutes into the livestream. Around 50 mins-- there's another intriguing anecdote-- about a man in a suit/ claiming to be a lawyer from LA/ who approached deBruin in the courthouse prior to his testimony-- urging deBruin to testify a certain-way about whether he had actually told the police he saw Gaige Grosskuitz (or was it Ziminski?) had a gun. Who the fuck was that guy & what was his agenda?

Then the kid (actually he's in his mid-30's, but he seems autistically young) describes his PTSD from witnessing the shootings, and his post-trial hardship... as a woman approached him in a big box store where he works-- and screeched at him that he 'supported a murderer'. deBruin has had to take leave from his job, without pay. He has attempted to start a Go Fund Me, but Go Fund Me has not approved his application.

I didn't find much further-value in the livestream... after deBruin left & the usual gang of lawyers zoomed-in. They did not contribute much (this time).

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:28 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Service Dog wrote: ↑
The difference, Steers, is that-- unlike you & the Atlantic link you offered-- I never defended that magnet nonsense in the first place.
Pray tell, where exactly did I and the Atlantic article actually "defend that magnet nonsense"? I'll wait ... :roll:
No. That's not what I was asserting. My point was that you associated yourself with the Atlantic link, by posting it & citing it as authoritative.
Haven’t the foggiest idea what you’re “asserting” – doubt you do either.

But what you SAID was, “unlike you & the Atlantic link you offered-- I never defended that magnet nonsense in the first place” – a rather clear suggestion if not quite pointed assertion that both I and the Atlantic article were “defending magnet nonsense”. Hence my question.

But maybe that’s just sloppy English on your part ...
Service Dog wrote:
too many on the right - yourself included - are far too quick to throw stones at sources like Britannica?
Nope. I did no such thing. I merely chuckled that your Atlantic link touted Britannica... after the many times over the years... when you had posted a link comparing Britannica unfavorably to Wikipedia.
What self-serving horse crap. Or short or drug-addled memory as the link I had posted had rather clearly and extensively compared Wikipedia favourably to Britannica:
That page contains a comprehensive list of studies undertaken to assess the accuracy of the crowd-sourced encyclopedia since its founding 10 years ago. Of course, if you find yourself on this page, you might worry that the list itself may not be trustworthy. Well, the good news is that almost all those studies tell us that it probably is. In 2005, the peer-reviewed journal Nature asked scientists to compare Wikipedia's scientific articles to those in Encyclopaedia Britannica—"the most scholarly of encyclopedias," according to its own Wiki page. ....

And last year, a study published in the Journal of Clinical Oncology found that Wikipedia had the same level of accuracy and depth in its articles about 10 types of cancer as the Physician Data Query, a professionally edited database maintained by the National Cancer Institute. The self-described "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" has fared similarly well in most other studies comparing its accuracy to conventional encyclopedias, including studies by The Guardian, PC Pro, Library Journal, the Canadian Library Association, and several peer-reviewed academic studies. ....

With more than three million English-language entries [2011; now over 6 million], Wikipedia very often wins our preference by default.
https://www.livescience.com/32950-how-a ... pedia.html

You might try getting your head out of your arse and learn to read for comprehension.
Service Dog wrote:
It was late and I didn't have time to check back and see your exact phrasing. Partly why I put in the "you all" to cast my net a little wider.
You don't distinguish between allies & opponents: Ready. FIRE! Aim. So, go right-ahead & keep-counting me as foe. ....
Of course I do so "distinguish". Though someone once suggested that the only “friend” that will go to the wall with you is the “Truth”.

But that you agreed with me on one point is hardly a get-out-of-jail-free card.
Service Dog wrote: But I also applaud Fafnir for catching you-- conceding the immense real-world limit on your stupid definition-- when you referred to Hunny Bunny & other "women"... using the word "woman" just-like a normal real-world human does. <--That's the position where I dwell.
I probably used scare quotes around “woman” to suggest that the word was being used in a nominal sense, “for reference purposes only”. Hunny Bunny and other “women” may not actually qualify as such if we’re starting from the premise, from the standard definition by which “woman” means “adult human female”.

I posted this for you before but you apparently or probably didn’t read it or it didn’t register:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
Service Dog wrote:
You're so ready to throw stones at .... the author of that Atlantic article that you're unable, or unwilling, to see where they have a point or two
Nope. You're just throwing another allegation at me, with no evidence, to see if it will stick.
More self-serving horse-crap. You rather clearly made quite extensive comments about both the Atlantic article and its author that were largely if not entirely just snarky, biased, entirely unevidenced, and/or plainly unjustified. While being totally clueless – deaf, dumb, and stupid – about the many criticisms it made of those on the left including academia and various social constructionists. As I had pointed out since your eyes probably glazed over when you read those passages. If you got that far.
Service Dog wrote: Friendly fire, collateral damage, no trigger discipline, intentional trollish sabotage, good-faith incompetence? I don't care what your motives are. You just suck.
You should talk. Or maybe you shouldn’t. Or should learn to put brain in gear before putting mouth in motion.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:10 pm

Service Dog wrote: Meanwhile, across the turkey-table...
The substance-abusing daughter of Erica Jong, riding her mom's cachet to pander drivel that she put in only slightly more effort than Becky Booze used to for her weekly sporadic Popular Mechanics articles.

If I got miss Jong-Fast across a holiday dinner table, in ten minutes I could either make her cry and/or throw food at me.

Roll d8, +1 mod for candlelight, and the phenomonon of a male actually asserting himself also gets her wet.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:35 pm

Meanwhile, across the turkey-table...


So... that's the current state of The Atlantic. If they're gonna preach against 'conspiracy theory' crap in 2021... they should start by owing all their own 2017 un-truths... up in Steer's link.

Link to full text:

https://archive.md/PSUxP

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:20 pm

Steersman wrote:
Service Dog wrote: ↑
The difference, Steers, is that-- unlike you & the Atlantic link you offered-- I never defended that magnet nonsense in the first place.
Pray tell, where exactly did I and the Atlantic article actually "defend that magnet nonsense"? I'll wait ... :roll:
No. That's not what I was asserting. My point was that you associated yourself with the Atlantic link, by posting it & citing it as authoritative.

Which is very different-- from the complete lack of any connection between that magnet nonsense & me. You attempted to associate me with something which has NOTHING to do with me. You've fabricated a hoax, and that's not a legitimate way to argue.
too many on the right - yourself included - are far too quick to throw stones at sources like Britannica?
Nope. I did no such thing. I merely chuckled that your Atlantic link touted Britannica... after the many times over the years... when you had posted a link comparing Britanicca unfavorably to Wikipedia. The humor in that juxtaposition is perfectly simple & clear.
Might help if you were a bit more vocal in supporting that position when it's being disputed by people like Hunny Bunny, Matt, and Fafnir
Yeah. It would fucking help your crusade if others joined you. But I tried to give you your due... and your response was to keep sniping at me like an opponent/ rather than check to see if I was on your side.
It was late and I didn't have time to check back and see your exact phrasing. Partly why I put in the "you all" to cast my net a little wider.
You don't distinguish between allies & opponents: Ready. FIRE! Aim. So, go right-ahead & keep-counting me as foe. I want nothing to do with you-- you're socially-dysfunctional. You're a weird kid who the other kids avoid/ and anyone who offers a break to the outcast/ soon finds-out those other kids had the right idea.

I agreed with your point about the 'standard biological definition' of the sexes. But I also applaud Fafnir for catching you-- conceding the immense real-world limit on your stupid definition-- when you referred to Hunny Bunny & other "women"... using the word "woman" just-like a normal real-world human does. <--That's the position where I dwell.

Don't waste your time & mine trying to drag me over to your Gender Studies department. Go fight your battle against the actual Feminazi usurpers to your throne.
You're so ready to throw stones at .... the author of that Atlantic article that you're unable, or unwilling, to see where they have a point or two
Nope. You're just throwing another allegation at me, with no evidence, to see if it will stick.

In reality-- I have a long, intimate affinity for the author of that Atlantic article. He was a co-founder of SPY magazine. And, in the late 1980's, before I ever set foot in NYC, I was smitten with SPY. SPY was written from the point of view of a snarky, jaded, hip tastemaker-- privy to all the 'Inside Dope' about NYC. I read SPY the way Bart Simpson & Milhouse read MAD Magazine... in a 1996 episode:

Bart: “My God, the MAD Magazine Special Edition! They only put out 16 of these a year.”
Milhouse: “Boy, they’re really socking it to that Spiro Agnew guy. He must work there or something.”

When, way back in the '80's, SPY declared Donald Trump to be a 'short-fingered vulgarian' a teenage version of me trusted that assessment & added it to my own repertoire of opinions. I was a kid trying to prepare myself-- to oneday become an NYC sophisticate. (Similar Jay Gatsby inventing himself!)

So that's where my affinities were-- back when Trump first won the 2016 GOP primary. At that time-- the other co-founder of SPY-- Graydon Carter-- re-visited his decades as a leading critic of the short fingered vulgarian-- continuing to savage Trump-- and, at that time, my bias was in-favor of Carter.

You can't read minds, Steers. Your guesses are flat-out wrong.

Behold!, as time unfolds & new information emerges... I'm quite capable of adjusting my opinion & admit when I was wrong.

I'm quite-unlike the slurs you fire off against me & everyone-else, Steers.

Friendly fire, collateral damage, no trigger discipline, intentional trollish sabotage, good-faith incompetence? I don't care what your motives are. You just suck.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:49 pm

Service Dog wrote:
Steersman wrote:
You going to defend the nuttiness on the right? "Doctor" Sheri Tenpenny who insisted that covid vaccines were turning people into magnets?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7934660/magn ... ctor-ohio/
The difference, Steers, is that-- unlike you & the Atlantic link you offered-- I never defended that magnet nonsense in the first place.
Pray tell, where exactly did I and the Atlantic article actually "defend that magnet nonsense"? I'll wait ... :roll:
Service Dog wrote: You ask whether I'm "going to defend the nuttiness on the right". I'm not! Your entire thesis-- that I blindly defend the nuttiness on the right-- is based on a false premise.
Is it a "false premise" that you were throwing stones at Colbert and Encyclopedia Britannica? No doubt Colbert himself has some blind spots and biases of his own. But is he more or less on the money when it comes to "truthiness" on the right? That too many on the right - yourself included - are far too quick to throw stones at sources like Britannica? As Wolchover put it, "the most scholarly of encyclopedias, according to Britannica's own Wikipedia page".

Though more than a few on the left also do the same particularly when it comes to Wikipedia. Gratifying to see that you're ready to use it for such things as The Onion debate. Would be even nicer if you were a bit more discerning in your criticisms of it, bit more willing to consider my own criticisms of them. Particularly since I spent some $175 [US] for professional editing services to give it a tune-up:

https://medium.com/@steersmann/wikipedi ... 0901a22da2

It's a great site and useful tool but some very problematic if not pervasive biases therein. That won't, or can't, change until more people hold their feet to the fire.
Service Dog wrote: And then-- a complete non sequitur, but a surprise to no one-- you veer back into your Idée Fixe...
You all ready to concede that the standard biological definitions for the sexes are based on having functional gonads of either of two types?
You're so fired-up to rehash your same old tired shit... that you forget I CONCEDED THIS EXACT POINT AND TRIED TO AGREE WITH YOU earlier this year.

I stand corrected; mea culpa; shoot me at dawn.

It was late and I didn't have time to check back and see your exact phrasing. Partly why I put in the "you all" to cast my net a little wider. But I've explicitly acknowledged - several times - that you're commendably ready to read at least that writing on the wall. Might help if you were a bit more vocal in supporting that position when it's being disputed by people like Hunny Bunny, Matt, and Fafnir. Getting well past the time where people need to be taking a stand in favour of science and reason and logic, of letting the chips fall where they may.
Service Dog wrote: Yet you-- repeatedly!-- persist at falsely-attributing to me disagreement on this point, always followed by attacking my character with all sorts of cognitive bias claims.
Rather clearly evident; sticking out like a sore thumb. You're so ready to throw stones at Wikipedia, Colbert, Britannica, & the author of that Atlantic article that you're unable, or unwilling, to see where they have a point or two - cutting off your nose to spite your face.

But maybe some evidence of a few changes in the wind ...
Service Dog wrote: You are synonymous with monotony.
You're a bit of a broken record yourself at times ...

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:44 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:55 am
Hey Threefer! What's the real story down in ZA?
General Dysfunction. Were you referring to anything in particular though? I tend not to follow the local news.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Keating » Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 pm

I've started applying for Polish citizenship. My great grandfather was born in Prussia near (then) Danzig. I feel I need a contingency plan for a place to flee to from Australia.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Lsuoma » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:55 am

Hey Threefer! What's the real story down in ZA?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:20 am

Service Dog wrote:
Service Dog wrote: I am not 100% sure Joe Biden is a pedophile.

I am 100% sure Joe Biden would nail the audition, if Law & Order SVU is casting a pedophile role.

The petting, staring at the boy's body, the salivating breathing.

Disagree?

CHANGE YOUR MIND:


Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:22 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Vaccination is looking more and more like a religious rite of passage to personhood.
The Hebrew zelotes would go around the streets at night, grab a Hellenized Jew, draw their sicae, pull up his tunic, and if he was uncircumcised, give him the choice of getting cut down there or across the throat. On the spot.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:05 am

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:25 am

Steersman wrote:
You going to defend the nuttiness on the right? "Doctor" Sheri Tenpenny who insisted that covid vaccines were turning people into magnets?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7934660/magn ... ctor-ohio/
The difference, Steers, is that-- unlike you & the Atlantic link you offered-- I never defended that magnet nonsense in the first place.

You ask whether I'm "going to defend the nuttiness on the right". I'm not! Your entire thesis-- that I blindly defend the nuttiness on the right-- is based on a false premise.

And then-- a complete non sequitur, but a surprise to no one-- you veer back into your Idée Fixe...
You all ready to concede that the standard biological definitions for the sexes are based on having functional gonads of either of two types?
You're so fired-up to rehash your same old tired shit... that you forget I CONCEDED THIS EXACT POINT AND TRIED TO AGREE WITH YOU earlier this year.

Yet you-- repeatedly!-- persist at falsely-attributing to me disagreement on this point, always followed by attacking my character with all sorts of cognitive bias claims.

You are synonymous with monotony.

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by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:42 am

This is almost funny. Poor Aussie woman has medical condition which means vaccination would be medically disastrous, her doctor won't write her an exemption because of legal liabilities but also wouldn't vaccinate her anyway for the same and medical reasons. Private and state resources to resolve the issue have a one to two year wait. In the meantime she can't work. WTF Australia. Vaccination is looking more and more like a religious rite of passage to personhood.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:22 pm

Service Dog wrote: Steersman’s Atlantic article, as seen from late-2021:


Begins by mocking George Dubya Bush— oh, but in 2021 Dubya is a wise statesman, for being anti-Trump!

And the Stephen Colbert is invoked— as someone who debunks political hacks. Not-yet a hack himself!

Namely— the concept of ‘truthiness’— things which aren’t literally true, but true-enough if someone wishes it were true.
Which was considered laughable, when attributed to Dubya circa 2003. Oh— but it’s the woke gospel today! Choose you own gender, using truthiness. Pulitizer for the 1619 Project, re-writing history to suit butthurt black fee-fees. And, of course, Big Tech censorship of ‘misinformation’ (aka that-which is literally true/ but contrary to NPC programming.

And I gotta laugh at Encyclopedia Britannica being lauded as a bastion of accuracy— in a Steersman link! tee hee!

Then the author makes a ‘facts not feelings’ argument. That wouldn’t fly today! That’s Ben Shapiro talk, now!


...aw fuck. I barely began. Then I ran out of give a fuck.
Glad you at least read portions of that article, although it seems not very closely nor with any sort of balance. You might try reading the book, even the Wikipedia article:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasyla ... nt_Haywire

For one thing, the book was published Sept 2017, barely 9 months after inauguration; expect author didn't finish it before early 2017, probably some time before "pee-gate" and "fake news" became topical.

But you look to have your thumbs - to the elbows - on the scales. You going to defend the nuttiness on the right? "Doctor" Sheri Tenpenny who insisted that covid vaccines were turning people into magnets?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7934660/magn ... ctor-ohio/

You look to be a classic case of saying, "four legs good, two legs bad" - plenty of blame to go around. You all ready to concede that the standard biological definitions for the sexes are based on having functional gonads of either of two types? "fantasy-prone true believers", "the irrational has become respectable", and "suspicion of science and reason and an embrace of magical thinking", indeed.

The author's shots at "truthiness" were hardly targeting just those on the right; he spends no small amount of time and effort taking well-aimed ones at the social constructionists on the left and in academia - although those two groups are more or less synonymous:
When a political-science professor attacks the idea “that there is some ‘public’ that shares a notion of reality, a concept of reason, and a set of criteria by which claims to reason and rationality are judged,” colleagues just nod and grant tenure. The old fringes have been folded into the new center. The irrational has become respectable and often unstoppable. ....

The [Esalen] institute wholly reinvented psychology, medicine, and philosophy, driven by a suspicion of science and reason and an embrace of magical thinking .... It was a headquarters for a new religion of no religion, and for “science” containing next to no science. ....

Roszak spends 270 pages glorying in the younger generation’s “brave” rejection of expertise and “all that our culture values as ‘reason’ and ‘reality.’ ” (Note the scare quotes.) So-called experts, after all, are “on the payroll of the state and/or corporate structure.” ....

During the ’60s, large swaths of academia made a turn away from reason and rationalism as they’d been understood. Many of the pioneers were thoughtful, their work fine antidotes to postwar complacency. The problem was the nature and extent of their influence at that particular time, when all premises and paradigms seemed up for grabs. That is, they inspired half-baked and perverse followers in the academy, whose arguments filtered out into the world at large: All approximations of truth, science as much as any fable or religion, are mere stories devised to serve people’s needs or interests. Reality itself is a purely social construction, a tableau of useful or wishful myths that members of a society or tribe have been persuaded to believe. The borders between fiction and nonfiction are permeable, maybe nonexistent. ....

A more extreme academic evangelist for the idea of all truths being equal was a UC Berkeley philosophy professor named Paul Feyerabend. His best-known book, published in 1975, was Against Method: Outline of an Anarchistic Theory of Knowledge. “Rationalism,” it declared, “is a secularized form of the belief in the power of the word of God,” and science a “particular superstition.” ....

People on the left are by no means all scrupulously reasonable. Many give themselves over to the appealingly dubious and the untrue. But fantastical politics have become highly asymmetrical. ....
Methinks you may want to re-read that article, and try reading the book & Wikipedia essay, but after you first remove your blinders, your "conservative shaded glasses":

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:34 pm

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:38 pm

Steersman’s Atlantic article, as seen from late-2021:


Begins by mocking George Dubya Bush— oh, but in 2021 Dubya is a wise statesman, for being anti-Trump!

And the Stephen Colbert is invoked— as someone who debunks political hacks. Not-yet a hack himself!

Namely— the concept of ‘truthiness’— things which aren’t literally true, but true-enough if someone wishes it were true.
Which was considered laughable, when attributed to Dubya circa 2003. Oh— but it’s the woke gospel today! Choose you own gender, using truthiness. Pulitizer for the 1619 Project, re-writing history to suit butthurt black fee-fees. And, of course, Big Tech censorship of ‘misinformation’ (aka that-which is literally true/ but contrary to NPC programming.

And I gotta laugh at Encyclopedia Britannica being lauded as a bastion of accuracy— in a Steersman link! tee hee!

Then the author makes a ‘facts not feelings’ argument. That wouldn’t fly today! That’s Ben Shapiro talk, now!


...aw fuck. I barely began. Then I ran out of give a fuck.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:20 pm

Steersman's Atlantic article is from 2017 & the laundry list of crazy conspiracy theories includes zero mention of 'Russia' 'pee tape' or 'Steele dossier'.

Zero mention of Hillary & the news networks' delusions about russian bots on facebook deciding the 2016 election.

The article claims 'fake news' is only Trump trying to deflect true things he doesn't want to hear-- not a real phenomenon of actual fakeness.

There's no mention of Deep State fuckery with FISA warrants, or selective prosecution, or cover-ups of wrongdoing by their field agents/ or cover-ups of mass domestic spying on US citizens-- by their topmost officials.

...the only reference to 'officials at the FBI, the CIA, and military intelligence agencies'-- refers to Vietnam-era surveilance & infiltration of leftwing protesters.

Also looking-back to the 1960's & 70's, the article claims "urban police departments, convinced themselves that peaceful antiwar protesters and campus lefties in general were dangerous militants" as-if that's an impossibility.

In hindsight, the worldview of the paranoid MAGA crowd has aged-better than the snarky-left media elite-- who wrote & published that link.


I didn't read the article thoroughly-- this time. Maybe I did, some previous time Steerzo spammed us with the same-old basket of lynx.

But I should read it-- to count how many things the author scoffed-at... which came true. I see a tidbit about a muscle-car owner who fears his gasoline powered vehicle will be outlawed. And, of course, that on the lawbooks as a goal in California-- with a deadline next-decade. Same in Biden's official agenda.

I'm sure there's many-more.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm

Service Dog wrote: Fuck it... I'm gonna skip right-past a jew-hating phase... and proceed directly to freaking-out about Reptilians...

https://youtu.be/nSAW1u2ZJ8I
Sounds reasonable. If you're going to go crazy then you might just as well go whole hog ... ;)

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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:11 pm

Fuck it... I'm gonna skip right-past a jew-hating phase... and proceed directly to freaking-out about Reptilians...

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:02 pm

Service Dog wrote:
John D wrote: Race came up when my black nephew-in-law asked me what would happen if Kyle was black. I said that if he was black he would not have been charged with a crime.
Things I woulda tried to say. (And I surely woulda failed)...

<snip>

but I can't say their crackpot theory is wrong. This host guy would blather-away on speakerphone to his lawyer & say shit that was a combination of LARRY DAVID and JOE EXOTIC. Dialogue straight out of heavy-handed stormfront propaganda. Or Ferengi dialogue. At one point, he actually recited a monologue about who it is-and-isn't ok to Lend and Owe money to: (Borrowing-from "Family" and "our people", yes. Borrowing from mere "friends" and "banks" no.) (Lending-to? Anybody who you can make a buck. Even if it's a friend & they're gonna use the money to ruin their life with drugs & gambling.)

I don't think I'm gonna become a jew-hater... for vain reasons of hipster dignity. I think it's deeply uncool to be That Guy. But I'm gonna be oddly relieved... when I see (for example) some oaf stinking-up a MAGA forum with tired-old anti-jewish cliches. I'll be less-concerned about his bile. I'll think... 'well... he's not Making It Up.' Instead of questioning his motives... I'll think he might genuinely consider himself Paul Revere... warning his compatriots about a perceived threat.
Indeed. ICYMI, y'all - Matt in particular ;) - might like this essay by John Hartung who was quoted favourably in Dawkins' The God Delusion:
The world’s major religions espouse a moral code that includes injunctions against murder, theft, and lying – or so conventional 19th- and 20th-century Western wisdom would have it. Evidence put forth here argues that this convention is a conceit which does not apply to the West’s own religious foundations. In particular, rules against murder, theft, and lying codified by the Ten Commandments were intended to apply only within a cooperating group for the purpose of enabling that group to compete successfully against other groups. In addition, this in-group morality has functioned, both historically and by express intent, to create adverse circumstances between groups by actively promoting murder, theft, and lying as tools of competition. Contemporary efforts to present Judeo-Christian in-group morality as universal morality defy the plain meaning of the texts upon which Judaism and Christianity are based. Accordingly, that effort is ultimately hopeless
http://www.strugglesforexistence.com/re ... -morality/

Some snippets in the same vein from Philip Wylie's "Generation of Vipers", written about 1942, (pages 80-88; highly recommended):
Hitler explained to the people that they had not been beaten, but betrayed. This is everyman’s alibi-the foolish abuse of himself that keeps his eyes closed to truth, his brain unaware of blame, and his feet walking toward darkness. Because they had been beaten—and damn well beaten—by a somewhat, although not vastly, more honest and integrated group of nations, they liked to hear that they had not been beaten, but sold down the river. ....

Hitler rescued the German ego—which was, as we have seen, bound up in the idea of arms, destruction, and invincibility, and which had been frustrated. He told them that, because of their purity and integrity of motive, they had been the innocent victims of—the Jews! ....

To the glum and frustrated instincts of these people, this folly made sense. It takes a very detached man to admit he had got his arm chopped off because he was silly, or vain, or inordinately greedy. Men as groups have not yet evolved far enough ever to admit collective, contemporary viciousness. ....

The “factual case against the Jews,” upon investigation, crumbles away so completely that a man who was anti-Semitic (if he had intelligence—an impossibility, however, since being anti-Semitic precludes the attribute) would have to change his opinion at once, when confronted with the data. .... This is, of course, a suicide of all reason by the deliberate self-deceiver and represents the birth of a treacherous man—a man who, having seen the truth and recognized it, adheres nevertheless to a dishonesty.

Why?

That is the question which, for the last ten years, has racked the mind of every Jew—German, American, English, Spanish, Austrian, Russian, and probably Chinese, if any of them still know they are Jewish. One reason is simple. The so-called “case against the Jew” is the case against humanity. The fault of the Jew is the fault of mankind. But it happens that, in every large nation, there exists a minority of Jews who have carefully maintained their separate identity.

However, that is only part of the ferocious rot. Anti-Semitism has stained the centuries. There must have been, once, a reason for it, a point of origin. And there was— long ago. The Jews, sadly enough, have their religion, to blame for their now senseless predicament. ....

The Jews, beyond all men until the Nazis, carried that particular vanity to its outermost excess—the segregation of themselves from the rest of humanity, into a “superrace.” Their vainglorious beginnings are traceable in the Old Testament. Under Joshua, and others, they rolled over the Near East, burning cities, leveling them, sowing salt in the ruins, carrying away the woman for concubines, and putting the males to death. If you will take the trouble to read the Talmud, you will find that the orthodox Jews had a code (which they practice no more than we do the villainous codes of our Old Testament) whereby there was even a separate morality for Jews. It was necessary for them to be honest and decent only with each other. All the rest of mankind was cold turkey, to be preyed upon, cheated, lied to, swindled, and knocked on the head. No punishment for gutting a goy. Ten points and a gold star, rather-as in Mohammedanism.*
Wylie offered some qualifications to that rather damning portrait of the Jews - and humanity itself - in subsequent editions, but still seems a reasonably accurate one, on all accounts.

https://vultureofcritique.files.wordpre ... vipers.pdf
Service Dog wrote: --
I wanted to offer some message of solidarity-- to keep ya cool & sane-- if you're still in the minefield, John. But... I don't have any particular wise words.
Some justification for letting sleeping dogs lay - or lie as the case may be. But crunch time seems to be approaching rapidly, a population bottle-neck of sorts. Going to be necessary to call a spade a fucking shovel, to draw a line in the sand.

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by Steersman » Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:00 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Service Dog wrote: Grateful Dead posters ... above every toilet.
Perfect location.

I've found deadheads to be the most narcissistic, self-absorbed twats imaginable.
Guess we all have our "mono-manias" - of one sort or degree, or another. ;) Probably been years since I listened to much of them, but certainly enjoyed many of their songs - Truckin', Friend of the Devil, Sugar Magnolia: Skeletons from the Closet, indeed. Thanks for the memories ... :)

But somewhat apropos which and maybe of some more or less common ground, I just ran across this about a couple of your favourite people, David Sloane Wilson and Bret Weinstein ;) , in the context of the "group selection controversy":



Won't go into a lot of detail at the moment, but genuflecting a bit to SD's recent comments about "Da Jews", one might reasonably wonder whether you think that species - or groups or races - that are characterized by greater degrees of mutual assistance and support are more likely to survive than those that aren't. Group selection in a nutshell?

Likewise with this article in Quanta Magazine by Natalie Wolchover, she of the "How Accurate is Wikipedia?" essay:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/beyond-t ... w-20141015

Of particular note for others here is the title, "Beyond the Bell Curve" ... ;)

You probably won't be much interested in or familiar with some of the mathematical arcana - much of which is way outside my own salary range, but maybe more so with an analogy from population dynamics which serves as an entree to that arcana:
Imagine an archipelago where each island hosts a single tortoise species and all the islands are connected — say by rafts of flotsam. As the tortoises interact by dipping into one another’s food supplies, their populations fluctuate.

In 1972, the biologist Robert May devised a simple mathematical model that worked much like the archipelago. He wanted to figure out whether a complex ecosystem can ever be stable or whether interactions between species inevitably lead some to wipe out others. By indexing chance interactions between species as random numbers in a matrix, he calculated the critical “interaction strength” — a measure of the number of flotsam rafts, for example — needed to destabilize the ecosystem. Below this critical point, all species maintained steady populations. Above it, the populations shot toward zero or infinity.

Little did May know, the tipping point he discovered was one of the first glimpses of a curiously pervasive statistical law.
Maybe that "degree of interconnection" - both between and among species - is something of a minor detail. But maybe it's a point, a hinge on which the whole world turns. Or at least some profitable conversations here.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:59 pm

Service Dog wrote: eld. Yikes.
At one point, he actually recited a monologue about who it is-and-isn't ok to Lend and Owe money to: (Borrowing-from "Family" and "our people", yes. Borrowing from mere "friends" and "banks" no.) (Lending-to? Anybody who you can make a buck. Even if it's a friend & they're gonna use the money to ruin their life with drugs & gambling.)
In Boston, I worked in accounts receivable for an Eikk-owned wine importer. They had a seven-tiered pricing structure for commercial clients, depending on how Eikk-owned the business was. All these businesses had similar pricing schemes for each other -- that way, they all paid less in sales tax. Goyim were Tier One -- full price. Tier Seven was reserved for Massachusetts Envelope, who not only were Eikk, but had married into the family.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:39 pm

My thanksgiving party was just me, the GF, and my parents, who I'd only seen twice before in the past two years thanks to the Dempanic. My folks must've either decided to roll the dice, or believe the not-really-a-vax protects them. My dad's had a booster, but more than two weeks ago, so .... As a precaution, I swallowed some more horse goop before their arrival.

The closest we came to a political discussion was when my folks made a passing comment on understaffing, and GF went on a wee rant about well maybe if the government stopped paying people to not work they might actually have to go out and work. She's been an 'essential worker' all this time, and has little tolerance for all this shit. But then the moment passed as we were drinking a very nice Loire white.

My dad rode in my new truck and wanted to pay to fill it up, but we were late getting back for Day Two dinner so I blew off the gas station. I said, 'that's okay dad -- you can just slip me an $85 dollar bill.' Oh and I told him how the county was going to hell, with Central American drug cartel moving in and stealing water from fire hydrants and shit, and how 80% of our LE calls are for the crazy homeless doing crazy homeless stupid shit. And how one of the four fires in my neighborhood this summer was a crazy homeless lady who decided she really needed a 72-hour purification fire, but the slightly less dreggy dregs of my hamlet caught her cuz she was dragging logs through the local dive bar, beat the living shit out of her and called 911 before the fire got out of hand. Because, as quoted in the paper, "we're community and we take care of each other." Of course, they'd called 911 on her the day before when she announced she really needed a 72-hour purification fire, but the sheriff had no ordinance on which to book her. And then I pointed out all the spots along the road where I'd called code compliance on the transients living in Winnebagos with expired Oregon plates. Then my dad asked if I had any cheery news to share but not really.

I anticipate some row or another at Xmas, when my sister will join us, as she usually makes some political statement then gets pissy if you refute it. Cuz, like John's extended family and Dog's social contacts, she only talks to like-minded people, who don't really discuss so much as share quasi-religious affirmations of faith.

Nevertheless, Thanksgiving was delightful, and I made my famous turkey ballotine.
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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:03 am

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:45 am

John D wrote: Race came up when my black nephew-in-law asked me what would happen if Kyle was black. I said that if he was black he would not have been charged with a crime.
Things I woulda tried to say. (And I surely woulda failed)...

1.) In both-- Kyle's interview with Tucker Carlsen & his interview with Ashleigh Banfield-- Kyle said that his case proves-true BLM's claims that prosecutorial misconduct is widespread.
--
2.) Kyle was already in Kenosha days-earlier, _before_ the protests were declared to be riots, and a curfew was imposed. 29 protesters charged with breaking curfew-- many of them armed & black... and the curfew charges were DROPPED in _all_ 29 cases. The same charges were held against Kyle for 14 months... until AFTER the jury had been told he had broken curfew. Only then did the prosecutors withdrew the charges.

-------

I know so many people have already experienced the Thanksgiving family political friction thing-- all through Trump, Impeachment, Covid, Masking & Lockdowns, Vaccination, BLM/kneeling, George Floyd Riots...

I was late to the party-- by having my first-such experience this year.

But my nerves are still tingling-- for all the houseguests eating turkey-- in a minefield. Yikes.

--
My last morning in that house-- was with TV blaring Good Morning America-- all this "Omicron Variant" news. The next wave of divisive stupidity.

I'm home, relaxed, and lacking in overt lasting-butthurt. But I'm VERY aware that the host's jewishness was a key factor in what an odious asshole he was...

and... for the 1st time in my life... I think the sad rightwing cranks who freak-out about jews are justified. I still think it's ugly & it weakens the complainer to dwell on it...

but I can't say their crackpot theory is wrong. This host guy would blather-away on speakerphone to his lawyer & say shit that was a combination of LARRY DAVID and JOE EXOTIC. Dialogue straight out of heavy-handed stormfront propaganda. Or Ferengi dialogue. At one point, he actually recited a monologue about who it is-and-isn't ok to Lend and Owe money to: (Borrowing-from "Family" and "our people", yes. Borrowing from mere "friends" and "banks" no.) (Lending-to? Anybody who you can make a buck. Even if it's a friend & they're gonna use the money to ruin their life with drugs & gambling.)

I don't think I'm gonna become a jew-hater... for vain reasons of hipster dignity. I think it's deeply uncool to be That Guy. But I'm gonna be oddly relieved... when I see (for example) some oaf stinking-up a MAGA forum with tired-old anti-jewish cliches. I'll be less-concerned about his bile. I'll think... 'well... he's not Making It Up.' Instead of questioning his motives... I'll think he might genuinely consider himself Paul Revere... warning his compatriots about a perceived threat.

--
I wanted to offer some message of solidarity-- to keep ya cool & sane-- if you're still in the minefield, John. But... I don't have any particular wise words.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:16 am

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:09 am

Haha. and it had been going so well. During a game of "Stone Age" (which I won twice) Rittenhouse came up. I swear that I didn't start it. I was a bit drunk so I don't remember exactly how it started. My position has been that Rittenhouse was foolish... but did nothing illegal. This was not popular. My wife, who thought he shot three black men, decided he should do community service at least. I don't know how she came up with this. Rittenhouse already spent months in jail. I said that he was found to be not-guilty and asked how she proposed he be punished. There was no answer.... she just felt this would be right.

Niece and nephew both said he broke the law by crossing state lines with an illegal gun. Of course, it didn't help when I explained he legally crossed state lines and was carrying a legal rifle. My wife even looked up my claim and read the news article that supported my position. But then the discussion inevitably turned to the claim that no one should have a assault rifle. I had to go through the whole story that an AR-15 is just a hunting rifle with a handle that looks scary. It is a popular gun because it is fun to shoot. It was concluded by the others that this gun was just not acceptable... for reasons of fee-fees.

It was concluded that 17 year old kids should never be allowed to carry a rifle even though they can drive, be charged as an adult in crimes, etc. The solution is that if you are really hunting...well...then you can carry. I guess you have to prove you are hunting in some way.

Race came up when my black nephew-in-law asked me what would happen if Kyle was black. I said that if he was black he would not have been charged with a crime. He was NOT HAPPY with this answer. He went sideways by talking about all the publicized cases where he thought blacks were unfairly charged. I dodged and said I couldn't discuss the specifics of a case without looking into it.

It is clear that almost everyone in my life thinks Rittenhouse must be guilty of something cause of their fee-fees.

Anyway... I expect we will be able to agree to disagree. I am okay if they disagree with me. If they want to know what I think I will tell them. And if they don't ask I just stay quiet. I can live with this.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Steersman » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:42 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Came across a new term (for me)

“Gender confirmation surgery”

Aka - cutting your dick off to appease the inner voices.

Seems sane. 😐
Monstrous, ain't it? Why I've argued on Twitter that that is turning dysphoric and - often - autistic children into sexless eunuchs. Putting a glitter-and-rainbows-and-unicorns gloss on that rather ugly fact helps no one. Bloody criminal in more ways than one. But probably a large part of the reason why I've been suspended from Twitter.

Why I've also argued - same consequence - that the euphemism "MtF (male to female) transitions" - sadly used even by more or less rational sites like Quillette - is egregiously anti and quite un-scientific. An outright fraud:

https://quillette.com/2021/04/02/when-s ... suffering/

Something of an analogous term is "gender-affirmation surgery" and "care" (??!!). ICYMI, quite a good essay at 4th Wave Now on the topic by Hacsi Horváth - "adjunct Lecturer in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF) ... expert in clinical epidemiology, particularly in systematic review methods, epidemiologic bias and evidence quality assessment":
For about 13 years, I also masqueraded “as a woman,” taking medical measures which suggest, shall we say, that I was completely committed to that lifestyle. Most men would have recoiled from this, but in my estrogen-drug-soaked stupor it seemed like a good idea. In 2013 I stopped taking estrogen for health reasons and very rapidly came back to my senses. I ceased all effort to convey the impression that I was a woman and carried on with life.
Maybe not surprising that he now has "a lot of anger at transgenderism and its enablers, as well as an 'inward bruise' (as Melville called it)", that he is "not a happy camper", has "been badly harmed", and "far angrier that thousands of young people are being irreversibly altered and sterilized as they are inducted into a drug-dependent and medically-maimed lifestyle":

https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-t ... -identity/

Marginally acceptable that adults do that to themselves, but to trick kids into making that "choice" has to qualify as a medical scandal to rival Mengele and the Tuskegee syphilis study. Whole bunch of "doctors" who should lose their licenses if not be strung up by their nuts - if they still have them - and be left to twist in the wind.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Brive1987 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:06 pm

Came across a new term (for me)

“Gender confirmation surgery”

Aka - cutting your dick off to appease the inner voices.

Seems sane. 😐

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:40 pm

Service Dog wrote: Grateful Dead posters ... above every toilet.
Perfect location.

I've found deadheads to be the most narcissistic, self-absorbed twats imaginable.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Brive1987 » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:48 pm

fafnir wrote: Matt,

In Tolkien, doesn't Morgoth torture a bunch of elves to make orcs? I suppose I could buy the woke as being descendents of Romantics that fell under the spell of Marx? I don't know though. Are we saying Robespierre was a Romantic? Lenin?
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive. But to be young was very heaven!
Maybe.
“ But of those unhappy ones who were ensnared by Melkor little is known of a certainty. For who of the living has descended into the pits of Utumno, or has explored the darkness of the counsels of Melkor? Yet this is held true by the wise of Eressëa, that all those of the Quendi who came into the hands of Melkor, ere Utumno was broken, were put there in prison, and by slow arts of cruelty were corrupted and enslaved; and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance of life, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise. And deep in their dark hearts the Orcs loathed the Master whom they served in fear, the maker only of their misery. This it may be was the vilest deed of Melkor, and the most hateful to Ilúvatar.”

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by John D » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:41 pm

You know way more interesting people than I do Dog -

Spent the last few days in Delaware with my niece (white), her husband (black), their daughter (50/50), His mom and dad (black).... and of course my wife (white). So a perfect split... three whites, three blacks and one mixed. We leave on Monday.

We had enough food, all traditional, to feed about 20 people... haha. Beef, turkey, sweet potatoes, mashed potatoes, cranberries, mac and cheese, green beans, apples, 5 pies. It was all delicious. We are eating just leftovers today.

All went well. We didn't talk politics and stuff. We gave thanks to god. We ate. We watched the Lions loose again. I asked the dad at the start of the game if the players took a knee. I said "I didn't notice then take a knee." and he said... "Oh yeah... that protest is over." We talked about singing. His goto song is "One in a Million" and he sang a few bars. We complained about getting old and we talked about dogs.

Sandy and I watched "Dune". It was pretty good. Fairly faithful to the book... but... it didn't really move me for some reason. I just think I have seen so many modern CGI sci fi movies I am bored with the whole thing. The neat thing about "Dune", IMHO, is when it was written and how it framed its universe at that time. The technology, as presented, of the distant future really doesn't make sense anymore. I mean... they don't even have tape recorders... haha.

Steers is definitely +/- 6 sigma.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

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by Service Dog » Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:54 pm

GF calls the mandatory Grateful Dead Appreciation-moments "Chinese Re-Education Camp".




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