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Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#2000

by AndrewV69 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:03 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:20 pm
Meh typos. I’ll wear my glasses next time.
Or you could ... like, use your edit button?

(unless you are too lazy to bother ... or, perish the thought ... yours does not work?)

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1999

by Pitchguest » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:21 pm

Pitchguest wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Based on the information we've been discussing that's come to light, Branca now believes it's a slam-dunk felony involuntary manslaughter for Baldwin. Barring oligarch meddling, of course:

Aaaaaaand... it's gone.
And it's back! Weird. Redirected me to the website when I clicked the video just then.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1998

by Pitchguest » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:20 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Based on the information we've been discussing that's come to light, Branca now believes it's a slam-dunk felony involuntary manslaughter for Baldwin. Barring oligarch meddling, of course:

Aaaaaaand... it's gone.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1997

by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:39 pm

Based on the information we've been discussing that's come to light, Branca now believes it's a slam-dunk felony involuntary manslaughter for Baldwin. Barring oligarch meddling, of course:

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1996

by Lsuoma » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:48 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: At least it used to be, probably R100 or more now. Protocol must be observed though. You don't initiate negotiations because you'd be implying corruption and that would just be offensive and racist. Proper protocol is to ensure that money is in clear view as you retrieve your license card from your wallet.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1995

by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:36 pm

It’s harder to be licensed to drive than it is to own a semi automatic weapon
No, it's not. See below.

Chadian saws are dangerous
We learned in school about the Chadian Saw, which Alexander used to cut the Gordian Knot.

they tend not to “go off” unexpectedly because someone fucked up.
Uhh, I once met a forester who could count to twelve using his fingers and toes.

The simple existence of rules is meaningless if they aren’t instilled into the user through required training and prescription. But that’s tedious eh?
100 million gun owners, of whom only two dozen a year manage to mistake their grandson for a deer or brother for a squirrel [both true cases in 2019]. Res ipsa loquitur.

Baldwin didn’t just have a responsibility to educate himself. Society had the duty of requiring he educated himself before giving him the keys to daddy’s hot-rod.
Baldwin's the kind of willfully ignorant dickhead who never gets invited on another quail hunt, and who'd be frog-marched off of any range in about three minutes.

Some rights have required pre-requisite reciprocal responsibilities.
No. One may forfeit one's rights through criminal acts, but no right has prerequisites or strings attached.

Running around with a weapon may be a talisman “right” in the United States. Not being an uneducated jerk about it feeds into my right to enjoy life.
The right to keep and bear arms is a for-real right, sans* scare quotes. No one has the right to engage in negligent or reckless behavior of any sort that endangers others.

Maybe that “well regulated militia” comes implicit with a high degree of training and weapons handling skills. Seems reasonable. I’m not sure how Baldwin fitted into the militia paradigm
"Well-regulated" means 'properly functioning'. The People are the militia. Therefore, the People must be proficient in the use of firearms.


Re cars. I don’t know about the states, but here we have to take a written drivers test. We have to demonstrated a number of hours of professional tuition. We need to log 100 hours with a licensed driver. We have to pass a practical driving test. We then have a limited provisional licence for a year or two that will be lost will any transgression. If this is the benchmark you support for owning a weapon, then yes, we are in agreement.
Car: written test of 25 questions selected from 100 which are provided, with answers, in a study guide. 20 correct to pass. For first timers, short test behind the wheel: start ignition, put into gear, turn signals, reverse 30'. Back East, you also had to parallel park. Easy eye test, read four large letters on a sign. License issued to anyone, including illegal aliens.

Gun: First time, written test of 50 questions, provided, with answers, in a study guide. 47 correct to pass. Then you get an 'I passed' card. Every time, using snap caps, must show salesperson you can load, dry fire, unload, and safely handle. FBI background check. In CA, ten day 'cooling off' wait until you can have your gun.


77% of accidental gun fatalities occur in the home. Over the 10 years 2016-2016 nearly 7000 people died in unintentional shootings.
I went through every single entry for 2019 in the Gun Violence Archive DB. The vast majority were mostly black teens playing with a gun they'd stolen, or an illegal one they'd found in the house. Nearly all because they didn't know that dropping the mag on a semi doesn't unload it.

Aside from cracking down on illegal guns, why not teach the basics of firearms safety in schools? Maybe adult ed, too, for, like, actors?


*My French is always at the ready.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1994

by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:15 am

Hollywood Reporter: “How are your gun slinging and horse-riding skills?

Alec Baldwin: “They’re always at the ready. I’m an actor of the old school. So if you read my resume — my motorcycle riding, my French, juggling, my horseback riding, my gunplay — is all right at my fingertips at all times.”


https://web.archive.org/web/20211025191 ... d-1298939/

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1993

by Service Dog » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:35 am

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Man Rams Car into Crowd Protesting Coronavirus Vaccine Mandates
25 Oct 2021
A man is in custody after he drove his car into a group of people protesting coronavirus vaccine mandates in Southern California.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021 ... -mandates/


Police have not released the identity of which specific Baldwin brother was behind the wheel.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1992

by Service Dog » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:29 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: Brive1987 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:17 am
I don’t know about the states, but here we have to take a written drivers test. We have to demonstrate a number of hours of professional tuition. We need to log 100 hours with a licensed driver. We have to pass a practical driving test. We then have a limited provisional license for a year or two...
...and then you're confined to your homes indefinitely. :dance:

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1991

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:19 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:17 pm
4. Re cars. I don’t know about the states, but here we have to take a written drivers test. We have to demonstrated a number of hours of professional tuition. We need to log 100 hours with a licensed driver. We have to pass a practical driving test. We then have a limited provisional licence for a year or two that will be lost will any transgression. If this is the benchmark you support for owning a weapon, then yes, we are in agreement.
Australian's ability to travel unrestricted and possibly their options for employment seem heavily dependent on the whim of any malicious traffic cops in the neighbourhood. Here the penalty is a R50 on the spot payment without any time wasted on paperwork. At least it used to be, probably R100 or more now. Protocol must be observed though. You don't initiate negotiations because you'd be implying corruption and that would just be offensive and racist. Proper protocol is to ensure that money is in clear view as you retrieve your license card from your wallet. At this point you may be lectured on the seriousness of your minor infraction and informed of the possibility of your motor being impounded. Don't know why though, you still get away with the normal fee. So yes we have our own set of rules to be observed, but Oz does seem to be a nation of Rulebound Reggies by comparison.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1990

by Matt Cavanaugh » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:12 am

The Beaver is proud to create two classes -- one, the vaxxed, with privileges, the other, unvaxxed, without any:

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1989

by Service Dog » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:25 am

Two more weeks-- until the 6-month wake-up call Lsuoma requested in May-- regarding inflation:
Lsuoma wrote ↑
"Yawn. Call me when it's sustained over 3-6-9 months."
https://media.patriots.win/post/FOl5Bfz5.jpeg

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1988

by Service Dog » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:36 am

Brive1987 wrote: easy access ... should logically be on a demonstrated ‘need to have’ or controlled ‘safe to have’ basis.
Brive1987 wrote: Or so says an increasing majority of western adults.
Adults. haw!

I don't think much of the globalist health bureaucrats, nor Joe Dronebomber Biden & Korrupt Kop Kamala, nor their attorney general telling the FBI to treat concerned parents as domestic terrorists, nor the test-run they're running in California, nor Big Tech, Big Pharma, Fake News, dancing nurses & teachers unions, nor the prosecutors & judges who let BLM & Antifa & MS-13 & garden-variety George Floyd street niggers demolish neighborhoods. Add to that Nancy Pelosi & the Capitol Police, Schiff, Bill Barr, Maxine Waters, the Squad, Bernie, Liz Cheney, Late-stage Dubya, Late-stage Obama, Late-stage Hillary and Epstein didn't kill himself.

The "adults" to-whom Brive proposes we "demonstrate" our "need to have" firearms... refuse to prosecute Hunter Biden for his gun violations, and just gave half a million guns and bombs to the Taliban. Yet they treat Kyle Rittenhouse as public enemy #1.

Alec Baldwin was literally the eminent anti-gun-activist & serious-adult who the deplorable gun-owners were supposed-to conform-to.

--

Briveposts are as satisfying as Power Washing compilation videos. "Mmmm... thorough."

But all these words about driver's license vs. gun... activate action scenes from Mad Max movies in my skull.

--

When people tell me how they think the world ought to work-- my go-to response is _not_ to respond with my own grand scheme of things... as if our opinions will battle-it-out & settle the matter darwin-style.

I prefer to accept their premise & delve-into apparent internal-contradictions... and difficult edge-cases... within their premise.

In this case, Brive, I see a glaring contradiction between your renegade views on diet-- vs. your orthodox views on Covid-policy. Seems to me that the same authorities & institutions which force-fed us shitty diets-- are also feeding us today's price-fixe menu of lockdowns, jabs, censorship, passports, mass-firings, deprivation of due process... and gun confiscation.

I prefer to dine a la carte.

I also see a contradiction-- between you treating American ideas about Gun Rights as an invasive species... destructive if exported to Australia. Versus your full-speed-ahead opinionating on American gun-stuff. I'm not saying you should shut-up... I very much welcome your articulate dissent. But... do you see the hint of self-contradiction?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1987

by Brive1987 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:20 pm

Meh typos. I’ll wear my glasses next time.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1986

by Brive1987 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:17 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:58 am
If guns can’t be rendered relatively safe by design then two salient facts remain.

1. They are innately dangerous, far more so than (say) a chainsaw,
With firearms and chainsaws, safety features can be added, but both will remain inherently dangerous.

easy access to such buggerising implements should logically be on a demonstrated ‘need to have’ or controlled ‘safe to have’ basis.
Why this for a gun, but not a chainsaw, or a horse, or an automobile, all of which are inherently dangerous and potentially fatal?


2. Short of built-in idiot-proofing, only a paranoid and ingrained safety culture offsets the inherent risk. This culture is not invented out of thin air.
The culture I interact with is fastidious about safety. That's prudent, not paranoid.

The universal denouncement of Baldwin by the gun 'community' is that he violated all four of the Four Rules of Firearms Safety. He co-wrote a script with a lot of guns in it; including the scene he was rehearsing. He therefore had a heightened duty to educate himself. Ironically, the NRA, against which Baldwin engaged in activism, offers many resources and training programs that could've helped him.

Easy, unearned access to weapons is stupid.
No right needs to be earned.

But remind me, what are the technical pre-reqs for getting your hands on a weapon?
About the same as for getting a driver's license. I'd say a 16yo novice operating a fast-moving 5000 lb projectile on the public roads poses far greater risk than an adult with a Glock in his bedroom.

Clearly there was zero safety culture on that set. But I hardly think this is some sort of bizarre exception to the rule.

Again I can only draw on my experience in the Reserves.[...]
What you describe of your basic training closely resembles the official movie industry protocol for handling firearms on sets. All film shoots are chaotic, but all the stage crew I've ever talked to were very serious about doing their job properly and safely. RUST was a extremely low-budget production which was cutting corners all across the board, and came apart at the seams with a crew mutiny hours before the incident. A psycho director or asshole lead can be toxic.

How exactly does society expect a similar wrapper of responsibility to arise when the bar to beat is err … to demonstrate you’re not already declared clinically insane and/or possess a felony? Meh. Madness.
Yet somehow, with 400 million guns in the US, and one in probably half of all homes, there are only <400 deaths per year from accidental or negligent discharges. And most of those are urban teens goofing with unlawfully-possessed guns. Only about two dozen are the stereotypical 'hunting accidents.'

Ordinary folks aren't all irresponsible cretins who need the constant supervision of smarter and wiser Overlords.
1. It’s harder to be licensed to drive than it is to own a semi automatic weapon engineered for high capacity rapid (albeit semiauto) fire. Go figure. Chadian saws are dangerous, they tend not to “go off” unexpectedly because someone fucked up.

2. Paranoid safety is prudent safety. The opening premise should always be that the gun is trying to fire itself at someone - just to jerk us around... The simple existence of rules is meaningless if they aren’t instilled into the user through required training and prescription. But that’s tedious eh? Baldwin didn’t just have a responsibility to educate himself. Society had the duty of requiring he educated himself before giving him the keys to daddy’s hot-rod.

3. Some rights have required pre-requisite reciprocal responsibilities. Running around with a weapon may be a talisman “right” in the United States. Not being an uneducated jerk about it feeds into my right to enjoy life. Maybe that “well regulated militia” 😂 comes implicit with a high degree of training and weapons handling skills. Seems reasonable. I’m not sure how Baldwin fitted into the militia paradigm, but he was certainly a Gomer Pyle.

4. Re cars. I don’t know about the states, but here we have to take a written drivers test. We have to demonstrated a number of hours of professional tuition. We need to log 100 hours with a licensed driver. We have to pass a practical driving test. We then have a limited provisional licence for a year or two that will be lost will any transgression. If this is the benchmark you support for owning a weapon, then yes, we are in agreement.

5. I can’t get the video out of my mind of a child firing a machine gun at the range and losing control of it - with fatal consequences. 77% of accidental gun fatalities occur in the home. Over the 10 years 2016-2016 nearly 7000 people died in unintentional shootings. I guess a statistic is a statistic. Until it isn’t.

6. You don’t need to be an ‘irresponsible cretin’ to mishandle machinery. You just need to be momentarily inattentive, untrained or unpracticed. Or, maybe, be a child.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1985

by Brive1987 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:54 pm

Bhurzum wrote: Guns don't kill people...
Neither does fast food. It’s the excessive consumption.

“All things in moderation”, exercise your personal agency, - this is ‘old lie’ peddled by Coke.

In reality there is a mixture of base and immediate causes. Poorly handled, unregulated guns kill people just as surely as ultra-processed, highly engineered food does. Or so says an increasing majority of western adults.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1984

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:30 am

AD had history of unsafe practices on sets. No safety meetings, no fire lanes, once kept cameras rolling during a medical emergency involving a crew member.

These latest revelations from TMZ.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1983

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:28 am

Crew had been target practicing with the prop guns. Live ammo found on set intermingled with blanks.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1982

by Bhurzum » Sun Oct 24, 2021 10:50 am

Guns don't kill people...

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1981

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:51 am

Service Dog wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Omit any one of that sequence, and she doesn't die.
Well, she does. Most likely not on the set of "Rust", though.
https://media.patriots.win/post/ehTpqv5M.jpeg
Even healthier for you than Day-Lea Yogurt!

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1980

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sun Oct 24, 2021 9:43 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:58 am
If guns can’t be rendered relatively safe by design then two salient facts remain.

1. They are innately dangerous, far more so than (say) a chainsaw,
With firearms and chainsaws, safety features can be added, but both will remain inherently dangerous.

easy access to such buggerising implements should logically be on a demonstrated ‘need to have’ or controlled ‘safe to have’ basis.
Why this for a gun, but not a chainsaw, or a horse, or an automobile, all of which are inherently dangerous and potentially fatal?


2. Short of built-in idiot-proofing, only a paranoid and ingrained safety culture offsets the inherent risk. This culture is not invented out of thin air.
The culture I interact with is fastidious about safety. That's prudent, not paranoid.

The universal denouncement of Baldwin by the gun 'community' is that he violated all four of the Four Rules of Firearms Safety. He co-wrote a script with a lot of guns in it; including the scene he was rehearsing. He therefore had a heightened duty to educate himself. Ironically, the NRA, against which Baldwin engaged in activism, offers many resources and training programs that could've helped him.

Easy, unearned access to weapons is stupid.
No right needs to be earned.

But remind me, what are the technical pre-reqs for getting your hands on a weapon?
About the same as for getting a driver's license. I'd say a 16yo novice operating a fast-moving 5000 lb projectile on the public roads poses far greater risk than an adult with a Glock in his bedroom.

Clearly there was zero safety culture on that set. But I hardly think this is some sort of bizarre exception to the rule.

Again I can only draw on my experience in the Reserves.[...]
What you describe of your basic training closely resembles the official movie industry protocol for handling firearms on sets. All film shoots are chaotic, but all the stage crew I've ever talked to were very serious about doing their job properly and safely. RUST was a extremely low-budget production which was cutting corners all across the board, and came apart at the seams with a crew mutiny hours before the incident. A psycho director or asshole lead can be toxic.

How exactly does society expect a similar wrapper of responsibility to arise when the bar to beat is err … to demonstrate you’re not already declared clinically insane and/or possess a felony? Meh. Madness.
Yet somehow, with 400 million guns in the US, and one in probably half of all homes, there are only <400 deaths per year from accidental or negligent discharges. And most of those are urban teens goofing with unlawfully-possessed guns. Only about two dozen are the stereotypical 'hunting accidents.'

Ordinary folks aren't all irresponsible cretins who need the constant supervision of smarter and wiser Overlords.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1979

by Service Dog » Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:07 am

Lsuoma wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Omit any one of that sequence, and she doesn't die.
Well, she does. Most likely not on the set of "Rust", though.
https://media.patriots.win/post/ehTpqv5M.jpeg

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1978

by Service Dog » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:15 am

Brive1987 wrote: But remind me, what are the technical pre-reqs for getting your hands on a weapon? Clearly there was zero safety culture on that set. But I hardly think this is some sort of bizarre exception to the rule.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1977

by MarcusAu » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:04 am

Brive1987 wrote: Madness

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1976

by Brive1987 » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:58 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fegg wrote: If you want to check what it is loaded with, then the safest way is to eject the cartridges one by one and then load them one by one.
If you want to check if it is loaded with anything, the gap behind the cylinder is large enough to see if there are any rounds loaded.
If this is the case, such weapons should be banned.
Single-action revolvers are safe in a lot of ways, and are a common choice for teaching novices.

I can’t believe that in these days, modern weapons (at least) couldn’t display a colour coded (by type) round count, one that’s highly visible.
Far better than semi opaque magazines.
The gun in question, of course, was a 140 year-old design. Most new semis have a loaded chamber indicator. I almost never look at mine, and don't trust it when I do.

Massad Ayoob, who all the experts turn to for expert advice, tells about his negligent discharge with a twice-checked DA revolver:
https://safetysolutionsacademy.com/less ... at-mag-40/

Bottom line, Baldwin took three separate actions he should've known -- or, rather, had an obligation to have learned -- not to do. He:
1. pointed the gun at that woman;
2. cocked the hammer;
3. pulled the trigger.

Omit any one of that sequence, and she doesn't die.
If guns can’t be rendered relatively safe by design then two salient facts remain.

1. They are innately dangerous, far more so than (say) a chainsaw, and easy access to such buggerising implements should logically be on a demonstrated ‘need to have’ or controlled ‘safe to have’ basis.

2. Short of built-in idiot-proofing, only a paranoid and ingrained safety culture offsets the inherent risk. This culture is not invented out of thin air. Easy, unearned access to weapons is stupid. But remind me, what are the technical pre-reqs for getting your hands on a weapon? Clearly there was zero safety culture on that set. But I hardly think this is some sort of bizarre exception to the rule.

Again I can only draw on my experience in the Reserves. We didn’t get near to firing our weapon until we had been taught and then passed practical tests. On-going good practice was instilled at the end of a boot. Any breach would bring down unfathomable wrath by enraged WOs. Live ammunition was utterly quarantined to the range and carefully controlled. On leaving the range we were searched and had to declare a personal oath “I have no live ammunition or range produce in my possession sir!” This was taken very seriously.

Once a dickhead managed to smuggle out a couple of live rounds and stupidly showed them off in the field. His punishment descended well before his official charges. In the movies it would have been called a “code red”. Checking weapons on hand over, and situational awareness of their state (unloaded, action, instant) was second nature.

How exactly does society expect a similar wrapper of responsibility to arise when the bar to beat is err … to demonstrate you’re not already declared clinically insane and/or possess a felony? Meh. Madness.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1975

by AndrewV69 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:02 pm

I am starting to get the impression that Baldwin is an irresponsible jackass.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1974

by Lsuoma » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:57 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Omit any one of that sequence, and she doesn't die.
Well, she does. Most likely not on the set of "Rust", though.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1973

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:22 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Fegg wrote: If you want to check what it is loaded with, then the safest way is to eject the cartridges one by one and then load them one by one.
If you want to check if it is loaded with anything, the gap behind the cylinder is large enough to see if there are any rounds loaded.
If this is the case, such weapons should be banned.
Single-action revolvers are safe in a lot of ways, and are a common choice for teaching novices.

I can’t believe that in these days, modern weapons (at least) couldn’t display a colour coded (by type) round count, one that’s highly visible.
Far better than semi opaque magazines.
The gun in question, of course, was a 140 year-old design. Most new semis have a loaded chamber indicator. I almost never look at mine, and don't trust it when I do.

Massad Ayoob, who all the experts turn to for expert advice, tells about his negligent discharge with a twice-checked DA revolver:
https://safetysolutionsacademy.com/less ... at-mag-40/

Bottom line, Baldwin took three separate actions he should've known -- or, rather, had an obligation to have learned -- not to do. He:
1. pointed the gun at that woman;
2. cocked the hammer;
3. pulled the trigger.

Omit any one of that sequence, and she doesn't die.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1972

by Service Dog » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:41 pm

Lsuoma wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: Nurses .... should shut the fuck up and get back to doing their job.
This post officially makes you a cunt. Cunt.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1971

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:22 pm

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1970

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:36 pm

You have to assess an individual and consider what they are using to fill their 'god shaped hole". There will be something in there. I have a pile of old Western classical morals like protection of home and hearth, honesty, hard work. I feel like I should be Odysseus. well... not that heroic... but you know what I mean.

Most atheists go for the Marxism shit. They don't like classic western virtues. Even the Libertarian party is going Marxist along with Gillespie, Teller etc.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1969

by Service Dog » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:16 pm

mordacious1 wrote: Penn Jillette takes a leap off the deep end:
https://www.takimag.com/article/and-a-c ... lead-them/
At least, according to this guy.
I differ from author David Cole's thesis-- that recent Trans Dogma is a cult which Penn Jillette suddenly joined.

I think Jillette's point-of-departure was Feminism.

To Penn Jillette-- this trans stuff is just a further extension of the common-sense women-are-equal feminism he embraced, back in the 1970s.

He's just-like a supporter of Equal Rights For Blacks in the 1960's... who thinks everything-which currently-claims to be More Of The Same... is indeed The Same.


That Penn Jillette article is about an atheist libertarian (seemingly) violating his principles.

However, (I surmise) that the author is neither atheist nor libertarian. The author didn't think much-of Penn Jillette's beliefs in the first place. He's not-really disappointed by Jillette's downfall. He's delighted by it. Yet-- he reports the story well-enough.

Everyone at the 'pyt... has already seen Atheists go SJW-trans-feminist-woke. That part ain't new.

As an escape from the pro- and anti- Trump factions-- I immersed myself in Libertarian podcasts after Trump was elected.

I've seen many Libertarians do all-the-things enumerated in the article. Plenty of libertarians have amended their "I'm a libertarian" status, deciding they're something-else now. Post-libertarian. Or no-longer-aligning-myself-with-those-other-assholes-who-also-say-they're-libertarian. People who moved to New Hampshire to join the Free State Project... then moved-away. People who were actively-engaged with a movement, who decided to go be libertarian by themselves, disconnected.

But-- most of all-- the Penn Jillette story strikes me as a perfect example of a certain sort of boomer/public-figure/intellectual/'maverick'-- who turns-out to blow right-along with the winds of dreadfully-conventional wisdom.

First the rise-of-woke, then Trump & Brexit, then Covid,-- and now Unclothed Emperor Biden-- has shown us who actually *reacted* to such developments... like they're Fucking Paying Attention. And who just kept chugging-along as-if the last new thing which ever happened was... 9/11? (And, for some: Woodstock, MLK being shot, Ronald Reagan getting elected, an intro-to-feminism class circa 1988) ...spouting the same-old shit they decided-to believe a long time ago.

Also, Penn Jillette is a smarmy smartass, accustomed to being the hippest cat in the room. It's normal for a pubescent kid to experiment with being edgy-- test-driving a contrived identity, to see how-much they can fake-it-'til-they-make-it ...aiming-toward a childish notion of a kewl adult self. But Penn Jillette seems like many boomers-- who are stuck in that stage of development far-past their teenybopper years. He's adopting trans-hipster slang like a tween trying to hang with the cool kids. Or an old Peter Pan trying to stay young.

So my 1st impression-- reading the article-- was that Penn Jillette exemplified something I've been noticing... Reason Magazine's Nick Gillespie is another example-- boomer/'cool guy'/aging-hipster/post-modernist-intellectual/classic-rock-era-'rebel'/recreational-drug-enthusiast-- with a huge case of Trump Derangement Syndrome... & a see-no-evil hear-no-evil speak-no-evil attitude... when it comes to noticing & calling-out how far-off-the-rails his boomer-ideals have crashed the train.

My 2nd impression was that I didn't like David Cole's writing style. The story has plenty of sizzle if he just tells it 'straight'. But he heaped-on a bunch of gratuitous snark. Not too long ago-- I went-back & read old issues of SPY Magazine... and found they weren't nearly as clever as I thought in high school. The attitude seemed formulaic & petty. This article reads like that.

Likewise-- tangentially-related-- I've noticed in the last handful-of-days... that Fox News ran a slew of segments which were waaaaay too similar to Rachel Maddow killing-time-on-air 5 years ago... making fun of Trump's hair & orange skin, when she had no real incriminating-shit to report.

Yes, Kamala & Biden both acted like malfunctioning robots in public appearances last week. But it's facile... and therefore dangerous: one can slip into the unfunny amirite? applause-not-laughs of SNL or Stephen Colbert.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1968

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:15 pm

John D wrote: So - My predictions are already wrong. Haha. But only wrong in the details.
Well, 'Alec Baldwin was angry on the set' is like the center square in Bingo.

The media is lining up against the armorer. Lots of stories already in the media about how she was not qualified.
Notice that? Need a scapegoat to protect their boy. Still, it sounds like the AD had at least once before declared a loaded gun 'hot'. From his CV, he's either crossed paths on the set with my sister or a certain director friend of hers. I'll have to ask her about him.

I'm finding it hard to believe the armorer is to blame here. Thell is legendary, and she would've learned proper safety while still in her diapers.

Also, It does make sense that a ball nose pistol bullet could pass all the way through someone's lower abdomen and strike a second person with lower energy.
Totally. One report says it went through her chest or shoulder while the director was crouching just behind her. Daily Mail sez it caused a 'gruesome' wound.


Bottom line: never ever point a gun directly at someone you don't want to gruesomely wound. Especially not with a gun that had been causing problems all week for one reason or another. Reckless.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1967

by Brive1987 » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:09 pm

Fegg wrote:
Matt Cavanaugh wrote: You must cock the hammer before firing. It also has a loading port, making it laborious to check each chamber in the cylinder.
If you want to check what it is loaded with, then the safest way is to eject the cartridges one by one and then load them one by one.
If you want to check if it is loaded with anything, the gap behind the cylinder is large enough to see if there are any rounds loaded.
If this is the case, such weapons should be banned.

I can’t believe that in these days, modern weapons (at least) couldn’t display a colour coded (by type) round count, one that’s highly visible.
Far better than semi opaque magazines.

Didn’t the Marines in Aliens 2 have something like this? Or would that take away some of the fun?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1966

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:16 pm

Alec Baldwin... do something... "Global Warming..."

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1965

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 2:09 pm

You are worthless Alec Baldwin.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1964

by Fegg » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:37 pm

Matt Cavanaugh wrote: You must cock the hammer before firing. It also has a loading port, making it laborious to check each chamber in the cylinder.
If you want to check what it is loaded with, then the safest way is to eject the cartridges one by one and then load them one by one.
If you want to check if it is loaded with anything, the gap behind the cylinder is large enough to see if there are any rounds loaded.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1963

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:34 pm

So - My predictions are already wrong. Haha. But only wrong in the details. The facts seem to line up with my prediction that 1) Alec committed negligent homicide 2) He will not be charged 3) and he will be sued or at least pay a huge settlement.

The media is lining up against the armorer. Lots of stories already in the media about how she was not qualified.

Also, It does make sense that a ball nose pistol bullet could pass all the way through someone's lower abdomen and strike a second person with lower energy.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1962

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:22 pm

Answer my own question:
“Gutierrez removed a shell casing from the gun after the shooting, and she turned the weapon over to police when they arrived, the court records say.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... ml?src=rss

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1961

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:15 pm

fuzzy wrote: Apparently the prop master wasn't even born until a few years after Brandon Lee died.
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... ed-off-set
Was she even on the set that day?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1960

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:08 pm

A colleague was so alarmed by the prop gun misfires that he sent a text message to the unit production manager. “We’ve now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe,”

Baldwin removed the gun from its holster once without incident, but the second time he did so, ammunition flew toward the trio around the monitor.
This phrasing indicates a mechanical fault with the gun. But those are rare. It’s more likely human negligence.

It was a single-action revolver, likely, given the budget, a standard replica from Uberti, Chiappa or Rossi, rather than a dedicated ‘prop’ gun. This is supposedly what the sheriff took into evidence:
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You must cock the hammer before firing. It also has a loading port, making it laborious to check each chamber in the cylinder.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1959

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:53 am

fuzzy wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:09 am
Apparently the prop master wasn't even born until a few years after Brandon Lee died.
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... ed-off-set
Which reminds me, Biden's team have a brilliant new strategy to neutralise the Brandon chant. They set up a meeting between Biden and a disabled man. The disabled man's name is, you guessed it, Brandon. They are probably going to play this one of two ways, pretend people are praising Biden's support for the disabled or shame people for mocking a disabled guy. Yes, they probably are that dense.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1958

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:52 am

fuzzy wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:09 am
Apparently the prop master wasn't even born until a few years after Brandon Lee died.
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... ed-off-set
Which reminds me, Biden's team have a brilliant new strategy to neutralise the Brandon chant. They set up a meeting between Biden and a disabled man. The disabled man's name is, you guessed it, Brandon. They are probably going to play this one of two ways, pretend people are praising Biden's support for the disabled or shame people for mocking a disabled guy. Yes, they probably are that dense.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1957

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:38 am

John D wrote:
Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:36 am
My Alec Baldwin prediction (I don't really know any facts)... but Baldwin has a really bad temper.

1) Alec was upset that the filming was going poorly. He was distracted and angry

2) The filming was supposed to use live rounds in the gun. They were going for an accurate look with the gun actually recoiling.

3) Alec forgot he had a live gun because of confusion over the outcome of the waning day.

4) Either as a joke or as a way of scolding his crew he turned the gun on the director and pulled the trigger.

5) Two people were shot so either the bullet passed right through victim one and hit a second person or Baldwin actually fired twice. I suspect he fired twice because the first victim was killed indicating the shot hit the abdomen. Pistols don't usually pass all the way through the abdomen. Oh... I guess he could have shot victim one in the arm and then it passed to victim two with enough energy to kill her. So... we will see.

5) This scenario means Alec committed negligent manslaughter. He was the director and knew what safe firearm use is. He will not be changed because well... he is Alec Baldwin. But... He will get his fucking ass sued to pieces. (or make a huge settlement).
Movie is set in the late 1800's so most likely a 45 revolver. Not unlikely that the bullet would go clean through the first victim. There's also a lot of talk about how badly the local crew were being treated so there is always the possibility of sabotage.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1956

by fuzzy » Sat Oct 23, 2021 11:09 am

Apparently the prop master wasn't even born until a few years after Brandon Lee died.
The person in charge of overseeing the gun props, known as the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, could not be reached for comment. The 24-year-old is the daughter of veteran armorer Thell Reed and had recently completed her first film as the head armorer for the movie “The Old Way,” with Clint Howard and Nicolas Cage.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... ed-off-set

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1955

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:14 am

The story just keeps getting worse:
The prop master who handled the gun that killed the cinematographer on Alec Baldwin’s film “Rust” was “just brought in” amid a protest over conditions on the set, The Post has learned.

The unidentified employee was hired to replace someone else amid chaos on the set, according to a source involved with the movie.

... a half-dozen camera crew workers went on strike Thursday to protest their working conditions. The crew reportedly showed up as scheduled at 6:30 a.m. but began gathering up their gear and personal possessions to leave.

Another source briefed on the situation told The Post that a crew of workers had walked off the film’s set at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe, NM, over what they alleged were poor safety protocols...

The prop gun also misfired twice on Saturday and once during the previous week, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing a knowledgeable crew member who told the paper that “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.”

An unidentified crew member told the LA Times that Hutchins had been advocating for safer working conditions for her team.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/replaceme ... -prop-gun/

If all this is true, forget about accidental -- Baldwin's culpability is way past negligent into reckless disregard.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1954

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 8:40 am

AndrewV69 wrote: For some reason any sympathy I might have had for Baldwin evaporated very quickly once it was reported he was "pro gun control" (whatever that means).
If so, then as far as I am concerned he should have been especially diligent.
He's obviously was ignorant of the four rules of firearms safety*:

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I guess they don't care on movie sets, but if someone hands you a gun and tells you it's unloaded, you still check. They should also show you, not just tell you. Just the other night, I offered to mount a light on my GF's shotgun. She unloaded it, showed me the empty chamber, then I had another look and felt the chamber and magazine with my finger. While mounting the light then confirming it was set up right for her to use, although still unloaded, we made sure to not 'flag' anyone, not even the pets.


But it sounds like they weren't even following movie set safety protocol:
[E]ven when blank ammunition is used, the prop master “should announce in a loud voice to the cast and crew that the firearm is ‘hot’” and notify everyone present — including the sound mixer, first AD, and stage manager — “prior to any firing of blank ammunition. Unless it is authorized by the property master, a firearm should never be aimed directly at another individual. If it is necessary to do so in a sequence, the shot can be “cheated” by aiming the weapon slightly to the side of the other person.”

The bulletin also clarifies that prop and live firearms should never be stored together, and that live ammunition “shall be secured in a locked box and clearly marked in a manner to differentiate it from blank ammunition.”
https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec- ... 234673619/

Deputies learned the armorer on set had laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the building. The assistant director grabbed one of the guns and brought it to Baldwin, who was inside with the cast and crew. The assistant director yelled “cold gun” and handed it to Baldwin before the actor fired the gun once, hitting Hutchins and Souza.
https://www.abqjournal.com/2439807/bald ... k89O0LXBPQ

Also,
Set member tells @HumanEvents the armorist for the Alec Baldwin movie had asked prop master to check gun for blanks by 'shaking it around and listening for a rattling sound' before handing to Baldwin. Magazine/chamber not checked

Set member tells @HumanEvents that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
RUST was a very low-budget production, which apparently had a prop crew of one. The prop masters union states none of their union members were hired.

If they were using live ammo in other scenes, amateur armorer got sloppy handling and stowing the props, then an impatient prick of an assistant director grabbed a loaded gun and handed it to an ignorant actor, well there ya go. As the shot penetrated through the DP's stomach to strike the director in the shoulder, it was probably ball (FMJ) ammo.

I guess we will see what happens.
Somehow, his career has survived Kim Basinger's allegations of domestic violence, him going Tourette's apeshit on his daughter over social media, and his wife Hilaria from Spain being exposed as Hillary from Wellesley, MA.

Baldwin's already framing it as a "tragic accident" and pointing fingers. But as he's also co-producer, beyond his lack of safe firearms handling, he's ultimately responsible for cutting corners and hiring the non-union crew who let a loaded gun reach his hand.

His politics alone might be enough to save him in Hollywood, but the non-union hiring will hurt. The dead woman? Meh to these people.


* Compare to Keanu Reeves, who took a hundred hours of intense training on the range to prepare for JOHN WICK.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1953

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:41 am

Matt Cavanaugh wrote:
John D wrote: Mike was actually a good guy and they might have been good together.
Do you still have his number?
Haha.... one choice in solving my marriage problem I had not considered.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1952

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:36 am

My Alec Baldwin prediction (I don't really know any facts)... but Baldwin has a really bad temper.

1) Alec was upset that the filming was going poorly. He was distracted and angry

2) The filming was supposed to use live rounds in the gun. They were going for an accurate look with the gun actually recoiling.

3) Alec forgot he had a live gun because of confusion over the outcome of the waning day.

4) Either as a joke or as a way of scolding his crew he turned the gun on the director and pulled the trigger.

5) Two people were shot so either the bullet passed right through victim one and hit a second person or Baldwin actually fired twice. I suspect he fired twice because the first victim was killed indicating the shot hit the abdomen. Pistols don't usually pass all the way through the abdomen. Oh... I guess he could have shot victim one in the arm and then it passed to victim two with enough energy to kill her. So... we will see.

5) This scenario means Alec committed negligent manslaughter. He was the director and knew what safe firearm use is. He will not be changed because well... he is Alec Baldwin. But... He will get his fucking ass sued to pieces. (or make a huge settlement).

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1951

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:32 am

John D wrote: Mike was actually a good guy and they might have been good together.
Do you still have his number?

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1950

by Matt Cavanaugh » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:30 am

John D wrote:
Names of people my wife and I actually have met:
Mike Hunt
Mike Keister
Brook Trout
Rainbow Trout
Richard Face
[/quote]
Bosco Tang
Mara Gold
Nancy Quick
Tom McCann
Bob White
Penny Lane
Emily Vaglica

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1949

by John D » Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:21 am

Bhurzum wrote:
fafnir wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: What kind of arsehole names his child Moxie Crimefighter? Grounds for justifiable homicide, no question or doubt at all.
Right up there with Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen.
Years ago, my father, a many-titled psychiatrist, stumbled onto a name in the phone book - "Jobsco Pumps" (yes, seriously) - and found it so funny, it became a catchphrase in our house. We'd be sitting at dinner, quietly enjoying our meal and he'd suddenly explode into braying laughter.

My mother would roll her eyes and mutter "Jobsco Pumps" under her breath... ;)
Names of people my wife and I actually have met:
Mike Hunt
Mike Keister
Brook Trout
Rainbow Trout
Richard Face

Two funny stories. I interviewed Mike Hunt for a job. His full name was actually Michael. When I said hello I said "I assume to answer to Michael"... and... no shit... he said "Call me Mike". Haha. I didn't hire him because he really was not a good fit.... but the whole Mike Hunt thing would have given me pause. He was going to call on customers as a Customer Quality Engineer. Man... I can just imagine if he showed up to fix a quality problem. Haha.

The other funny story is that my wife dated Mike Keister while she and I were taking a break in our relationship. Mike was actually a good guy and they might have been good together. Anyway. When I tell our kids that mom used to date Mike Keister it gets a pretty good laugh.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1948

by Bhurzum » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:57 am

fafnir wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote: What kind of arsehole names his child Moxie Crimefighter? Grounds for justifiable homicide, no question or doubt at all.
Right up there with Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen.
Years ago, my father, a many-titled psychiatrist, stumbled onto a name in the phone book - "Jobsco Pumps" (yes, seriously) - and found it so funny, it became a catchphrase in our house. We'd be sitting at dinner, quietly enjoying our meal and he'd suddenly explode into braying laughter.

My mother would roll her eyes and mutter "Jobsco Pumps" under her breath... ;)

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1947

by fafnir » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:13 am

AndrewV69 wrote: What kind of arsehole names his child Moxie Crimefighter? Grounds for justifiable homicide, no question or doubt at all.
Right up there with Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1946

by MarcusAu » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:50 pm

AndrewV69 wrote: I guess we will see what happens.
Bloody ableists.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1945

by MarcusAu » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:48 pm

mordacious1 wrote:
Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:27 pm
Penn Jillette takes a leap off the deep end:
https://www.takimag.com/article/and-a-c ... lead-them/
At least, according to this guy.
This guy being David Cole.

Who though Jewish has some surprising opinions as to the German governments treatment of certain minority groups during the 1940s.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1944

by AndrewV69 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:47 pm

What kind of arsehole names his child Moxie Crimefighter? Grounds for justifiable homicide, no question or doubt at all.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1943

by AndrewV69 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:42 pm

mordacious1 wrote: Penn Jillette takes a leap off the deep end:
https://www.takimag.com/article/and-a-c ... lead-them/
At least, according to this guy.
I gave up halfway through it. If any of what I read was true, then I judge him as being just an actor.

He failed to walk the talk.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1942

by AndrewV69 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:30 pm

For some reason any sympathy I might have had for Baldwin evaporated very quickly once it was reported he was "pro gun control" (whatever that means).

If so, then as far as I am concerned he should have been especially diligent.

I guess we will see what happens.

Re: Steerzing in a New Direction...

#1941

by mordacious1 » Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:27 pm

Penn Jillette takes a leap off the deep end:
https://www.takimag.com/article/and-a-c ... lead-them/
At least, according to this guy.

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