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Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4700

by jugheadnaut » Fri May 24, 2019 7:56 am

Driftless wrote:
Keating wrote: It's a pity any discussion about climate change policy inevitable degrades into whether it's human's fault and actually happening. One can agree it's happening and is human's fault and still disagree about the best course of action.
Right. Multiple questions seem to get conflated: Is the climate warming? What is the cause? What can be done? What should be done? etc. The extremes drive the discourse. Maybe that is the future of politics brought to us by social media.
Yes. Especially annoying is the motte and bailey argumentation used to attempt to give catastrophic climate change arguments the same scientific standing as the core greenhouse effect physics (which is not seriously disputed).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4699

by jugheadnaut » Fri May 24, 2019 7:46 am

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote: The effect of cosmic rays on climate is through seeding of clouds by nucleation of particles. There are so many other sources of cloud seeding particles that the potential effect of ionisation by cosmic rays is probably negligible. Shaviv's recreation of the historical cosmic radiation record makes a lot of leaps, so not much stock can be put in that. Looks very much like just another one of those bits of research spread by think tanks and bloggers but justifiably regarded as dubious by sober scientists.
http://www.sciencebits.com/sites/defaul ... rcFig3.jpg

Does that look negligible to you? It's from the link I originally included, and based on work by Svensmark. The rest of what you wrote is mere handwaving which I'm not going to comment on.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4698

by John D » Fri May 24, 2019 7:31 am

Driftless wrote:
Keating wrote: It's a pity any discussion about climate change policy inevitable degrades into whether it's human's fault and actually happening. One can agree it's happening and is human's fault and still disagree about the best course of action.
Right. Multiple questions seem to get conflated: Is the climate warming? What is the cause? What can be done? What should be done? etc. The extremes drive the discourse. Maybe that is the future of politics brought to us by social media.
I agree completely. There is a very low quality of debate regarding the climate topic. The left and the right stick to their emotion and faith based arguments.

The blue church on the left worships the sanctity of a natural world without the effects of man. Anything man does to change the natural world is evil

The Christian faith on the right thinks god would never allow the whole planet to be damaged by man. Anything governments do to force change in order to protect the environment is an over-reach and steps on their liberty.

So... in most of the media we only hear that either the earth will be destroyed by man or than the climate is not changing at all. Really annoying.

I personally feel like we will not be able to do much to significantly lower CO2. We can add more nuclear power and burn more natural gas and add more wind and solar power. I have no problem with this. I even support some government incentives for making this change. I normally hate government intervention in markets, but I also support sensible government intervention for creating an overall economic good.

I really hate the idea that the US has to "show leadership" and self impose CO2 limits. I am not in favor of giving countries like China even more imbalanced economic power. They are already eating our lunch and I am not happy to let them continue eating our lunch while our economy is hampered. This is why I didn't like the Paris accord. My understanding is that the left lost the election in Australia in part due to their climate change agenda. Good.

I love how the climate scientists drop the bomb that says "If we don't change in 12 years the earth will be permanently affected" (or words to this effect). Well... hell... of course this is true. This is like a non-statement. Every day we don't make a change the earth is affected. Every thing people do (or don't do) affects the future climate. This is just a way for scientists to make a scary claim that they cannot be responsible for. It is just a vague and obvious claim that allows politicians to create fear. And... of course... climate scientists want us to be afraid. They think the only way they can "save the earth" is to cause everyone to panic. And remember... these scientist are the priests of the blue church. They believe that anything humans do that changes the planet is evil. They think people are a virus.... a kind of evil force... that is a destroyer. If you doubt this, just listen to them speak. Everything they think is framed are the idea that people are an evil force on the planet.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4697

by jugheadnaut » Fri May 24, 2019 7:16 am

KiwiInOz wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:04 pm
jugheadnaut wrote:

The evidence for the link between solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds, and temperature is primarily due to the published work of Nir Shaviv, Henrik Svensmark, Jan Veizer and others. Cosmic radiation incidence on earth does roughly follow the solar cycle, with times of greater solar activity corresponding to more solar wind, fewer cosmic rays and low clouds, and hence greater temperature. The key link between this and more recent temperature changes lies in the fact that sunspot number (a good proxy for solar activity) and beryllium-10 levels in ice cores (a good proxy for cosmic rays) show a marked increase in solar activity and decrease in cosmic rays through the 20th century over the previous 5 centuries. Shaviv has also quantified the amplification of solar forcing due to this cosmic ray-cloud formation effect to be 6-7 times the forcing due to solar irradiance alone, which is why many of the modelling based efforts to dismiss the importance of solar dynamics on climate are wrong.
My spidey sense starts tingling as soon as I see a post on complex system dynamics using correlation as the key analytic tool. Further googling suggests that my tingles were justified.
Interesting. Does your spidey sense also tingle when the mathematically incompetent alarmist argument is made that the Earth must currently be warming rapidly because x of the last y years have been the warmest on record?

I would have thought it would have gone without saying that what I wrote was a capsule description of his work, not a blow by blow recapitulation of his analysis. He is an astrophysicist by training, not a statistician like many climate scientists, and his work in this area is mathematically sophisticated and doesn't rely on correlation.

And what exactly did you see when you Googled other than the standard odious effort to discredit any scientist who publishes material disruptive to the alarmist narrative? Got to keep 'the science is settled' and '97% of scientists' myths alive.

I should also point out again that neither I or Shaviv thinks this is an alternative explanation to anthropogenic warming in the 20th century as opposed to an additional source of warming. In fact, Shaviv predicts that the 21st century is unlikely to have the same high solar activity levels as the 20th, so net warming during this century will likely have anthropogenic CO2 as its dominant cause.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4696

by Guest_f964a35c » Fri May 24, 2019 7:13 am

Guest_f964a35c wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 6:53 am
Holy fu....

thezombiunicorn tumblr com/post/101298598797/ill-never-truly-respect-rebecca-watson-because

“29 October 2014
I’ll never truly respect Rebecca Watson because she stole my artwork and sold it on merch on her website years ago. Honest, respectable people don’t do that. I confronted her and she only responded when I waived the lawsuit flag, she promised to donate the money she made from my art to a charity of my choice which she did- a whopping $15 - but she never provided proof of how much she actually made off of the art. Also, the whole elevator-gate thing was a huge embarrassment. Being a woman with a larger chest, I get proposals and lewd comments often from men in public & a guy you are having an interesting conversation with asking you to his room to talk MORE over coffee isn’t inappropriate unless YOU make it that way. He didn’t say “coffee, wink wink nudge nudge” he said coffee you conceited fuck.

Random rant brought to you by her popping up in my sidebar on twitter today >.<“

Must have been the Richard Dawkins badges she used to sell.
Yes.

From Twitter

I drew the 'Dawkins Rage Face' 6 years ago when 'rage faces' were popular on Reddit.

People used my image & reposted the meme a bunch of times & I never gave a shit. Only when someone tried selling it on merch did I shut them down & made them donate profits to charity.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4695

by Driftless » Fri May 24, 2019 6:56 am

Keating wrote: It's a pity any discussion about climate change policy inevitable degrades into whether it's human's fault and actually happening. One can agree it's happening and is human's fault and still disagree about the best course of action.
Right. Multiple questions seem to get conflated: Is the climate warming? What is the cause? What can be done? What should be done? etc. The extremes drive the discourse. Maybe that is the future of politics brought to us by social media.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4694

by Guest_f964a35c » Fri May 24, 2019 6:53 am

Holy fu....

thezombiunicorn tumblr com/post/101298598797/ill-never-truly-respect-rebecca-watson-because

“29 October 2014
I’ll never truly respect Rebecca Watson because she stole my artwork and sold it on merch on her website years ago. Honest, respectable people don’t do that. I confronted her and she only responded when I waived the lawsuit flag, she promised to donate the money she made from my art to a charity of my choice which she did- a whopping $15 - but she never provided proof of how much she actually made off of the art. Also, the whole elevator-gate thing was a huge embarrassment. Being a woman with a larger chest, I get proposals and lewd comments often from men in public & a guy you are having an interesting conversation with asking you to his room to talk MORE over coffee isn’t inappropriate unless YOU make it that way. He didn’t say “coffee, wink wink nudge nudge” he said coffee you conceited fuck.

Random rant brought to you by her popping up in my sidebar on twitter today >.<“



Must have been the Richard Dawkins badges she used to sell.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4693

by Tigzy » Fri May 24, 2019 5:55 am

shoutinghorse wrote:
InfraRedBucket wrote: the 7% for Tories was not an exit poll (ie taken on the day as voters leave polling stations) but a YouGov poll reported on the Weds day before .
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 7-16181557
No UK exit polls taken as far as I can see,
Still does not bode well of course...
I was just quoting from ITV news, blame Julie Etchingham.

We even had tears. Bless! :lol:



Not one fuck given.
Given her extensive and tediously prolonged record of doing precisely the opposite of what she says, I won't be reassurred that she's gone until she's moved the last doily and tea set out of number 10.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4692

by MarcusAu » Fri May 24, 2019 5:49 am

Keating wrote: I was looking forward to Metokur's stream to make fun of Sargon...
I recall a stream a while back with Jim, Ethan Ralph and Carl.

There were a few barbed quips from Ralph re Benjamin's stillborn child.

Jim holding himself to a higher standard did not participate - though he did read out other peoples superchats on the subject in a later stream.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4691

by Keating » Fri May 24, 2019 5:20 am

It's a pity any discussion about climate change policy inevitable degrades into whether it's human's fault and actually happening. One can agree it's happening and is human's fault and still disagree about the best course of action.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4690

by Keating » Fri May 24, 2019 5:18 am

InfraRedBucket wrote:
Lsuoma wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote: According to the nightly news (ITV) May want's to stay on for the D-Day commerorations on 6th June and Trump's state visit and then stay as caretake til Septenber while the party chooses a leader over the summer recess. She's not called Teflon Theresa for nothing.

Also early exit poll indicators showing the Tories are at a paltry 7% and Labour not much better (early teens) Greens and UKIP doing better than expected. Out of interest such a low polling at a general election would result in them having zero MP's. :oops:

Linkie?
the 7% for Tories was not an exit poll (ie taken on the day as voters leave polling stations) but a YouGov poll reported on the Weds day before .
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 7-16181557
No UK exit polls taken as far as I can see,
Still does not bode well of course...
I was looking forward to Metokur's stream to make fun of Sargon. Apparently, exit polls cannot be reported until all the voting across Europe has been completed to prevent poll contamination. You need a license for poll results in the UK as well as for spoons.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4689

by KiwiInOz » Fri May 24, 2019 4:11 am

screwtape wrote: Don't worry, potholer54 has saved me from the dark side (since we're talking about albedo).
No (particulate) matter, then.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4688

by screwtape » Fri May 24, 2019 3:51 am

Don't worry, potholer54 has saved me from the dark side (since we're talking about albedo).

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4687

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Fri May 24, 2019 3:23 am

KiwiInOz wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:04 pm
jugheadnaut wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
There's solid evidence that changing cosmic ray flux from the sun is responsible for some of the observed temperature increase over the last 40 years, there's no support for it being the primary driver, and at best it shares responsibility with anthropogenic CO2.
And this solid evidence is? From what I've read cosmic radiation follows the solar cycle.
The evidence for the link between solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds, and temperature is primarily due to the published work of Nir Shaviv, Henrik Svensmark, Jan Veizer and others. Cosmic radiation incidence on earth does roughly follow the solar cycle, with times of greater solar activity corresponding to more solar wind, fewer cosmic rays and low clouds, and hence greater temperature. The key link between this and more recent temperature changes lies in the fact that sunspot number (a good proxy for solar activity) and beryllium-10 levels in ice cores (a good proxy for cosmic rays) show a marked increase in solar activity and decrease in cosmic rays through the 20th century over the previous 5 centuries. Shaviv has also quantified the amplification of solar forcing due to this cosmic ray-cloud formation effect to be 6-7 times the forcing due to solar irradiance alone, which is why many of the modelling based efforts to dismiss the importance of solar dynamics on climate are wrong.
My spidey sense starts tingling as soon as I see a post on complex system dynamics using correlation as the key analytic tool. Further googling suggests that my tingles were justified.
The effect of cosmic rays on climate is through seeding of clouds by nucleation of particles. There are so many other sources of cloud seeding particles that the potential effect of ionisation by cosmic rays is probably negligible. Shaviv's recreation of the historical cosmic radiation record makes a lot of leaps, so not much stock can be put in that. Looks very much like just another one of those bits of research spread by think tanks and bloggers but justifiably regarded as dubious by sober scientists.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4686

by InfraRedBucket » Fri May 24, 2019 2:05 am

Baker? What a parade of idiots and blow hards we are going to get looking for their 15mins of fame.
Still kidding themselves. Fucking idiots the lot of them

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4685

by shoutinghorse » Fri May 24, 2019 1:50 am

InfraRedBucket wrote: Just to preempt the headlines in tomorrows papers:
TEARESA MAY.
Very good :clap: :lol:


Just as a dark horse emerges from the shadows :think:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4684

by InfraRedBucket » Fri May 24, 2019 1:46 am

Just to preempt the headlines in tomorrows papers:
TEARESA MAY.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4683

by shoutinghorse » Fri May 24, 2019 1:38 am

InfraRedBucket wrote: the 7% for Tories was not an exit poll (ie taken on the day as voters leave polling stations) but a YouGov poll reported on the Weds day before .
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 7-16181557
No UK exit polls taken as far as I can see,
Still does not bode well of course...
I was just quoting from ITV news, blame Julie Etchingham.

We even had tears. Bless! :lol:



Not one fuck given.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4682

by InfraRedBucket » Fri May 24, 2019 1:26 am

Lsuoma wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote: According to the nightly news (ITV) May want's to stay on for the D-Day commerorations on 6th June and Trump's state visit and then stay as caretake til Septenber while the party chooses a leader over the summer recess. She's not called Teflon Theresa for nothing.

Also early exit poll indicators showing the Tories are at a paltry 7% and Labour not much better (early teens) Greens and UKIP doing better than expected. Out of interest such a low polling at a general election would result in them having zero MP's. :oops:

Linkie?
the 7% for Tories was not an exit poll (ie taken on the day as voters leave polling stations) but a YouGov poll reported on the Weds day before .
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 7-16181557
No UK exit polls taken as far as I can see,
Still does not bode well of course...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4681

by InfraRedBucket » Fri May 24, 2019 1:20 am

LATEST: THERESA MAY TO OFFICIALLY STAND DOWN ON JUNE 7th though remains as caretaker til successor elected which will take weeks/months

The MayBot in tears as she just about finished her speech and rushes back into No10.

UK out of the frying pan ......

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4680

by MarcusAu » Fri May 24, 2019 12:21 am

Bhurzum wrote: Seriously though, Michio Kaku....
Everyone should visit there at least once in their life.

Quite amazing what the Inca's accomplished...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4679

by Bhurzum » Fri May 24, 2019 12:18 am

Hunt wrote: Mushrooms are from Planet 10. The Buckaroo Banzai Planet 10, not Pluto.
Yuggoth?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4678

by Bhurzum » Fri May 24, 2019 12:15 am

KiwiInOz wrote: The apparent decoupling in the correlation indicates that there are other factors are at play, i.e. there are other feedback loops with a stronger influence acting on the behaviour of the system.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ce/4d/1e/ce4d ... istory.jpg

Seriously though, Michio Kaku had a talk (on YT) wherein he explored the various factors (both theoretical and established) governing solar radiation and its impact/effect upon the Earth. I've had a wee rummage but can't track the bugger down. However, if my diseased brain is serving me correctly, his summary was along the lines of "there are too many unknown factors at play and as such, we're currently making semi-educated guesses" or words to that effect.

I love Kaku, he pitches to my level (a thick twat) and converts arcana into understandable info.

Pissed off I can't find the vid :x

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4677

by Hunt » Fri May 24, 2019 12:09 am

MarcusAu wrote: Can anyone tell me if mushrooms are an invasive species spawned from another planet, and that are manipulating people like that fungus does to ants, or that cat pee does to humans in Brazil?

The country not the movie.
Mushrooms are from Planet 10. The Buckaroo Banzai Planet 10, not Pluto.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4676

by KiwiInOz » Thu May 23, 2019 9:10 pm

https://skepticalscience.com//pics/TvsTSI.png

The apparent decoupling in the correlation indicates that there are other factors are at play, i.e. there are other feedback loops with a stronger influence acting on the behaviour of the system.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4675

by KiwiInOz » Thu May 23, 2019 9:04 pm

jugheadnaut wrote:
ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
There's solid evidence that changing cosmic ray flux from the sun is responsible for some of the observed temperature increase over the last 40 years, there's no support for it being the primary driver, and at best it shares responsibility with anthropogenic CO2.
And this solid evidence is? From what I've read cosmic radiation follows the solar cycle.
The evidence for the link between solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds, and temperature is primarily due to the published work of Nir Shaviv, Henrik Svensmark, Jan Veizer and others. Cosmic radiation incidence on earth does roughly follow the solar cycle, with times of greater solar activity corresponding to more solar wind, fewer cosmic rays and low clouds, and hence greater temperature. The key link between this and more recent temperature changes lies in the fact that sunspot number (a good proxy for solar activity) and beryllium-10 levels in ice cores (a good proxy for cosmic rays) show a marked increase in solar activity and decrease in cosmic rays through the 20th century over the previous 5 centuries. Shaviv has also quantified the amplification of solar forcing due to this cosmic ray-cloud formation effect to be 6-7 times the forcing due to solar irradiance alone, which is why many of the modelling based efforts to dismiss the importance of solar dynamics on climate are wrong.
My spidey sense starts tingling as soon as I see a post on complex system dynamics using correlation as the key analytic tool. Further googling suggests that my tingles were justified.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4674

by jugheadnaut » Thu May 23, 2019 7:06 pm

ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:
jugheadnaut wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
There's solid evidence that changing cosmic ray flux from the sun is responsible for some of the observed temperature increase over the last 40 years, there's no support for it being the primary driver, and at best it shares responsibility with anthropogenic CO2.
And this solid evidence is? From what I've read cosmic radiation follows the solar cycle.
The evidence for the link between solar activity, cosmic rays, clouds, and temperature is primarily due to the published work of Nir Shaviv, Henrik Svensmark, Jan Veizer and others. Cosmic radiation incidence on earth does roughly follow the solar cycle, with times of greater solar activity corresponding to more solar wind, fewer cosmic rays and low clouds, and hence greater temperature. The key link between this and more recent temperature changes lies in the fact that sunspot number (a good proxy for solar activity) and beryllium-10 levels in ice cores (a good proxy for cosmic rays) show a marked increase in solar activity and decrease in cosmic rays through the 20th century over the previous 5 centuries. Shaviv has also quantified the amplification of solar forcing due to this cosmic ray-cloud formation effect to be 6-7 times the forcing due to solar irradiance alone, which is why many of the modelling based efforts to dismiss the importance of solar dynamics on climate are wrong.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4673

by shoutinghorse » Thu May 23, 2019 4:30 pm

No link I'm afraid L just what was said on ITV news and what I'm seeing snippets of on twatter. Anyways, off to Bedlington now, i'ts 1.30am here. zzzzz

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4672

by Lsuoma » Thu May 23, 2019 3:55 pm

Fuckit.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4671

by Lsuoma » Thu May 23, 2019 3:54 pm

shoutinghorse wrote: According to the nightly news (ITV) May want's to stay on for the D-Day commerorations on 6th June and Trump's state visit and then stay as caretake til Septenber while the party chooses a leader over the summer recess. She's not called Teflon Theresa for nothing.

Also early exit poll indicators showing the Tories are at a paltry 7% and Labour not much better (early teens) Greens and UKIP doing better than expected. Out of interest such a low polling at a general election would result in them having zero MP's. :oops:

Linkie?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4670

by MarcusAu » Thu May 23, 2019 2:31 pm

Ludwig von Mises wrote: You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the effort of men who are better than you.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/125 ... bl_vppi_i0


Well, I'm enjoying the book so far (which to the surprise of no one I'm sure, is where above quote comes from). Though I'm not familiar enough with the paleoconservative movement or Pat Buchannon to know how accurate that part of it is.

He even has a 1/2 chapter on GamerGate - so you can judge for yourself how Vennly intersectional your areas of interest are with this particular reading matter.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4669

by shoutinghorse » Thu May 23, 2019 2:10 pm

According to the nightly news (ITV) May want's to stay on for the D-Day commerorations on 6th June and Trump's state visit and then stay as caretake til Septenber while the party chooses a leader over the summer recess. She's not called Teflon Theresa for nothing.

Also early exit poll indicators showing the Tories are at a paltry 7% and Labour not much better (early teens) Greens and UKIP doing better than expected. Out of interest such a low polling at a general election would result in them having zero MP's. :oops:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4668

by InfraRedBucket » Thu May 23, 2019 2:04 pm

So how's that #metoo "Always believe the women" strategy going these days?
MWSnap015 2019-05-23, 23_01_53.jpg
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-48379980

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4667

by InfraRedBucket » Thu May 23, 2019 1:55 pm

Lsuoma wrote: So will the Maybot be gone by then? It means that a different person will have to face the most monumental bollock-kicking a government has ever received.
It won't happen that fast. Likelihood is at some point, she will announce a timetable for selection of her successor as Leader of the Tory party - the process which will take several weeks or months - while remaining PM until that has completed so the Queen can officially hand over . No caretaker PM inbetween. But who knows if the Maybot finally self destructs suddenly?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4666

by shoutinghorse » Thu May 23, 2019 12:02 pm

Lsuoma wrote: So will the Maybot be gone by then? It means that a different person will have to face the most monumental bollock-kicking a government has ever received.
Haven't you heard, she's barricaded herself into the number 10 broom cuoboard and is refusing to come out until that nasty Mr Farage goes away and never ever ever comes back. Ever!

All the clever money has her gone by Tuesday, but we've heard that before, I'll believe it when I see it but surely this has to be the end. :pray:

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4665

by Lsuoma » Thu May 23, 2019 11:49 am

So will the Maybot be gone by then? It means that a different person will have to face the most monumental bollock-kicking a government has ever received.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4664

by shoutinghorse » Thu May 23, 2019 11:42 am

Lsuoma wrote: Hey Britpeeps, when will the results start coming out? Are exit polls allowed to be published as soon as UK polls close? I heard voting won't be complete EU-wide until Sunday...
EU rules (don't they just love their rules) stipulate that all countries must have finished voting before exit polls can be released and some of them don't vote until Sunday so the earliest anything will be known is Monday 27th although that is a bank holiday here in the UK so they might not release full figures until Tuesday 28th.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4663

by Lsuoma » Thu May 23, 2019 11:29 am

Hey Britpeeps, when will the results start coming out? Are exit polls allowed to be published as soon as UK polls close? I heard voting won't be complete EU-wide until Sunday...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4662

by MarcusAu » Thu May 23, 2019 7:29 am

Can anyone tell me if mushrooms are an invasive species spawned from another planet, and that are manipulating people like that fungus does to ants, or that cat pee does to humans in Brazil?

The country not the movie.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4661

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Thu May 23, 2019 7:26 am

jugheadnaut wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm
There's solid evidence that changing cosmic ray flux from the sun is responsible for some of the observed temperature increase over the last 40 years, there's no support for it being the primary driver, and at best it shares responsibility with anthropogenic CO2.

And this solid evidence is? From what I've read cosmic radiation follows the solar cycle.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4660

by ThreeFlangedJavis » Thu May 23, 2019 7:22 am

screwtape wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 5:34 pm
This is a fascinating documentary, which presents a plausible case for why we ought not to worry about anthropogenic climate change. It seems to present a calm and reasonable argument (save for an overly dramatic intro) for solar activity causing temperature variations, with changes in CO2 following after a lag as oceans gradually warm or cool and either release or sequester CO2. I would like it to be true, but by this point I'm not sure who to believe!
► Show Spoiler
Rule of thumb is when in doubt, Potholer54. He isn't a climatologist, he's a geologist turned science journo. He sticks very rigorously to the scientific literature though. His major skill is in tracking down the source of claims and differentiating between mere opinion and supported claims.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4659

by MarcusAu » Thu May 23, 2019 7:00 am

Meanwhile back in the states there are questions that inquiring minds just have to know...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4658

by screwtape » Thu May 23, 2019 6:10 am

I foresee a brief trend in clothing with faux-milkshake stains pre-applied. "Would you like your shirt in strawberry, chocolate or for an extra £5, soy-almond goop with sprinkles and a cherry?"

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4657

by shoutinghorse » Thu May 23, 2019 5:47 am

Old white racist army veteran fascist scumbag gets the milkshake treatment he thoroughly deserves for ruining our future, my only surprise is the choice of coloured milk. Obvously chocolate had sold out, another sign of western racist non white oppression. :x

No country for old white men.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4656

by Keating » Thu May 23, 2019 4:46 am

Yeah, I'm not that excited by Albo. I'm fairly sure that if he was opposition leader after Rudd stood down, he'd have been Prime Minister at the previous election. Now, his time has largely passed. I'm a little surprised that no one else is running, especially how keen Shorten was to prevent him becoming leader.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Thu May 23, 2019 4:06 am

Albo is probably going to be the next leader of our Labor party. No, not this Albo, unfortunately.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Thu May 23, 2019 1:06 am

So did anyone hear about Farage, N. being trapped on a bus?

Apparently it did not end well...

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4653

by Bhurzum » Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 am

KiwiInOz wrote: Don't call me Ken.
Nae danger, Percy.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4652

by KiwiInOz » Thu May 23, 2019 12:14 am

Bhurzum wrote:
shoutinghorse wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: Don't forget to pick up a dozen deep fried Mars Bars on the way back.
That's a myth, I've been assured that fried curly wurly's are the sweaty sock staple diet of choice.
Well, they're 10p cheaper. Every penny is a prisoner y'ken?

Hoots!
Don't call me Ken.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by MarcusAu » Thu May 23, 2019 12:13 am

If that's the way things are going - have a taste of Cherry Wainer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jeu72y0f4Kc

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by Bhurzum » Wed May 22, 2019 11:35 pm

shoutinghorse wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: Don't forget to pick up a dozen deep fried Mars Bars on the way back.
That's a myth, I've been assured that fried curly wurly's are the sweaty sock staple diet of choice.
Well, they're 10p cheaper. Every penny is a prisoner y'ken?

Hoots!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4649

by shoutinghorse » Wed May 22, 2019 11:23 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: Don't forget to pick up a dozen deep fried Mars Bars on the way back.
That's a myth, I've been assured that fried curly wurly's are the sweaty sock staple diet of choice.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4648

by Bhurzum » Wed May 22, 2019 10:44 pm

Ever see someone squirm like a worm on a hook?

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4647

by KiwiInOz » Wed May 22, 2019 8:43 pm

methane has, etc. Ignore my typos

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4646

by KiwiInOz » Wed May 22, 2019 8:41 pm

screwtape wrote: This is a fascinating documentary, which presents a plausible case for why we ought not to worry about anthropogenic climate change. It seems to present a calm and reasonable argument (save for an overly dramatic intro) for solar activity causing temperature variations, with changes in CO2 following after a lag as oceans gradually warm or cool and either release or sequester CO2. I would like it to be true, but by this point I'm not sure who to believe!

Those useless climatologists. How could they have overlooked solar activity and lagging CO2 releases from oceans.

Oh wait. They haven't.

Of course solar activity affects the climate (we have seasons and ice ages for a reason). It provides the energy input to our climate system. There are 11 year cycles in activity, but they do not explain the current global increase in temperature. At this level it is a stock and flow issue between the UV energy input from the sun and the infra red energy output back into space. The GHGs in our atmosphere regulate the rate at which this is lost to space. The current global increase in temperature cannot be explained by solar activity (i.e. its not oscillating around a flat line).

There are a whole lot of interacting feedback loops in our climate system, so an increase or decrease in ocean temperatures can release or absorb CO2 which will have an effect on temperature. But, as jugheadnaut notes, the current increase in GHG concentration in our atmosphere is due to the release of millions of years of sequestered carbon dioxide over two centuries from the combustion of fossil fuels. So in this case the CO2 concentration and warming precedes CO2 out-gassing from the oceans but this becomes an input in the reinforcing feedback loop of out-gassing and warming (but with a lag preceded by increased ocean acidification), etc.

The next solar minimum is not going drop the temperature because a) we are not reducing the rate of input of GHGs to the atmosphere, and b) other feedback loops, e.g. melting of permafrosts because of warming is releasing methane from the clathrate hydrates. And methane had a greater radiative forcing effect than CO2. Etc, etc.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed May 22, 2019 8:17 pm

Bhurzum wrote:
KiwiInOz wrote: In Scotland that would be a McFlurry.
That's a racist stereotype.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to put on my kilt and take my ginger dogs out haggis hunting so I can afford a heroin supper and a bottle of Irn Bru.

Och aye the noo, Jimmy!
Don't forget to pick up a dozen deep fried Mars Bars on the way back.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by jugheadnaut » Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm

screwtape wrote: This is a fascinating documentary, which presents a plausible case for why we ought not to worry about anthropogenic climate change. It seems to present a calm and reasonable argument (save for an overly dramatic intro) for solar activity causing temperature variations, with changes in CO2 following after a lag as oceans gradually warm or cool and either release or sequester CO2. I would like it to be true, but by this point I'm not sure who to believe!

There's solid evidence that changing cosmic ray flux from the sun is responsible for some of the observed temperature increase over the last 40 years, there's no support for it being the primary driver, and at best it shares responsibility with anthropogenic CO2. Of course, science-is-settled activists diminish or ignore this part of the science, and attempted rebuttals from these activists tend to misunderstand the argument by focusing on general solar activity rather than cosmic ray irradiance. The argument about CO2 is wrong, however. While the increase in atmospheric CO2 is enhanced due to release from warming oceans, it is extremely well established that the predominant driver for the increase in atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic fossil fuel burning, since the ratio of isotopes Carbon-12 to Carbon-13 in the atmosphere has been slowly approaching the ratio typically found in fossil fuels as atmospheric CO2 levels rise.

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

#4643

by Bhurzum » Wed May 22, 2019 5:49 pm

KiwiInOz wrote: In Scotland that would be a McFlurry.
That's a racist stereotype.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to put on my kilt and take my ginger dogs out haggis hunting so I can afford a heroin supper and a bottle of Irn Bru.

Och aye the noo, Jimmy!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by screwtape » Wed May 22, 2019 5:34 pm

This is a fascinating documentary, which presents a plausible case for why we ought not to worry about anthropogenic climate change. It seems to present a calm and reasonable argument (save for an overly dramatic intro) for solar activity causing temperature variations, with changes in CO2 following after a lag as oceans gradually warm or cool and either release or sequester CO2. I would like it to be true, but by this point I'm not sure who to believe!

Re: You is all a bunch of poofs!

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by KiwiInOz » Wed May 22, 2019 3:09 pm

Lsuoma wrote: Maybe he'll get elected in a Flurry of votes?
In Scotland that would be a McFlurry.

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