John D wrote: ↑
Doing nothing is worse than doing anything... thus we get the Paris Accord.... which really doesn't even dent the CO2 issue.
At the Copenhagen and Rio summits, binding CO2 limits were torpedoed by China ... and obama.
I have heard many people say "We have proven that climate change is man made so we must do something!" This is usually followed by cheers and applause. Haha. Why do people believe this? How can it possibly matter that the cause of climate change is man? What if climate change was not caused by man????.... would we suddenly not care?
If it's us, we can do something to stop it.
I always ask the question "What is the ideal temperature of the Earth?" No one has an answer. If there is an ideal temperature then we should be able to say why it is ideal. What is the goal? If we can reach this goal how will the economy and biodiversity be affected? Should we target lower ocean levels, or larger glaciers, or perhaps it should be warmer in temperate areas to grow food, or perhaps it is a temperature that supports bio-diversity.
Not more than c. 2º than now. The CO2 ppm level that will trigger that increase has been identified, and we are running over it now.
Keep the temp down, and everything else is taken care of. Don't, and there's a domino effect.
Stopping global warming will entail that some bastards don't get to make shitloads of money the way they used to. Other folks can make money with the changes. Not stopping GW will fuck the economy in epic unimaginable ways.
GW is already leading to loss of habitat, but so is population growth.
GW does not enhance agriculture; it disrupts weather patterns, especially floods & droughts. The net effect is loss of agriculture. Fisheries are also already being negatively impacted.
I also never hear what I would think is the most important story. If we know change is coming, let's predict the change and make mitigation plans. Some areas (such as coastal areas) are talking about mitigation.
What are the plans for massive shortages in food? For the relocation of the billions of people who live in coastal cities? Venice is talking about building dykes.
Not only are he Chinese are the biggest drivers of GW, they see its effects as an opportunity to overthrow the West.
People treat It like a nuclear holocaust.... like it will blow up the world. It will not blow up the world.
I think we've already established that AOC is complete fucking retard.
Instead it will make thousand of differences on a local level. It will simply be a local problem for everyone.
That's a good way of putting it. Still, some local problems will be utter disasters. The folks affected aren't just gonna sit there. They'll migrate, leading to the collapse of less seriously affected areas. Leading to violence. Leading to wars. Leading to me running out of 00 buck.
Also, it feels like most of the environmental organizations are just on a mission to advertise these days. They are not as focused on positive action.
Fear-mongering and urgent appeals work to a certain extent to generate donations. But it's not a good approach for general advocacy and persuasion.
I have given money to the Nature Conservancy for decades. I love the idea that they purchase important piece of land and then protect them from development. They are pushing for practical ways to improve the ecosystem and make larger contiguous uninhabited spaces. But lately... all they talk about is warming. They are spending too much time on this topic. They should be focused on acquiring land that will mitigate the effects of climate change.
Mission creep. Maybe they got taken over by SJWs.
Climate change.... as much as we bitch about it.... we can't stop it.... so what do we do now?
We can stop it, but we've been fiddling and diddling for too long, and now it will be much harder than just 10 years ago (thanks, obama!) We need binding carbon limits, and that can only be done with diplomacy &/or sanctions against the worst emitters. Those are the 'developing' nations, which leftists don't want to touch, so they pick on the lifestyles of ordinary Americans. The 'green economy' of obama was a complete scam -- a slush fund for his biggest donors who created fake companies to get gov't $$$. The 'New Green Deal' is fucking delusional.
First thing, we need to shift to renewable energy, and the gov't can drive that. FSS, we built Liberty Ships! We can do this. As a side bonus, then we can finally nuke Mecca.
Second, we need to thwart China, and maybe lop off a few of her grasping tentacles.
Then, we need to lower the goddamn population.