If thou gazest long into the Pit, the Pit will also gaze into thee

#4070

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

Didn't encapsulate the tweet

People wouldn’t waste their time if the job was being done.

#4069

Didn't encapsulate the tweet

#4068

#TrumpTribe

#4067

Anecdotally, I seem to find that every Trump male supporter I know has either been through a bitter divorce, or is struggling in an unhappy marriage. I'm honestly not finding an exception to this rule. Lemme know if you know of contradictory evidence, thanks. Friend might do a paper.

#4066

#4065

fuzzy wrote: ↑ This thread is perhaps the greatest lesson the Pit has given me: that no amount of evidence will override an unreasonable person's pre-evidencial religious bias. Orange man has always been bad and from Eastasia.

Explain away the evidence that he's really bad. You might have noticed the Mueller report wasn't complimentary to Orange Man. Or maybe not.

#4064

Matt takes on the “Mueller Whisperers”

#4063

fuzzy wrote: ↑ This thread is perhaps the greatest lesson the Pit has given me: that no amount of evidence will override an unreasonable person's pre-evidencial religious bias. Orange man has always been bad and from Eastasia.

What a hilarious example of projection.

#4062

This thread is perhaps the greatest lesson the Pit has given me: that no amount of evidence will override an unreasonable person's pre-evidencial religious bias. Orange man has always been bad and from Eastasia.

#4061

#4060

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
QED

These are the stridently uttered cries of Trumpists desperate for people to accept Barr's version and try to turn the tables. It's utterly pathetic, and worse that some lowlifes would go along with it. Some dumbfucks are even crying "treason," as though the malfeasance in the Mueller report were the playful hijinks of a toddler instead of a damning picture of a crooked president. Not to mention petulant and unstable. I really think it's dawning on some of the Trumpettes that the Mueller report isn't really the president's friend after all.

#4059

#4058

#4057

#4056

#4055

Nate Silver's being a dipshit again.

#4054

Sunder wrote: ↑ House Majority leader taking impeachment completely off the table before he's even read the redacted report let alone the full thing is just more proof that the Deep State is out to get Trump by pretending to be too craven and cowardly to pick a fight, thus lulling him into a false sense of security.

I do believe that's a calculated move for the 2020 elections. It's best to let him martyr himself, seeing as he's so very good at it. They're afraid of backlash, better to just let his misdeeds get some airplay first.

#4053

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Does this mean that Stormy Daniels is Mary Magdalene? :think:

Perhaps in two thousand years people will chant "wrong, wrong, fake news, covfefe" while they read passages from the Art of Deal.

I think we've finally found a cult dumber than Scientology.

Hasn't the reconciliation between evangelicals and Trump been a glorious bit of rationalization though? Does it not speak to the poetry of the human mind that it is able the mold a philandering, narcassitic, pathological liar into a near second coming? The absolute beauty of self-delusion, the astounding grandeur of hatred. It doesn't speak very well of us as a species, does it? It would be funny if the consequences weren't so awful.

#4052

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

Does this mean that Stormy Daniels is Mary Magdalene? :think:

Perhaps in two thousand years people will chant "wrong, wrong, fake news, covfefe" while they read passages from the Art of Deal.

I think we've finally found a cult dumber than Scientology.

#4051

House Majority leader taking impeachment completely off the table before he's even read the redacted report let alone the full thing is just more proof that the Deep State is out to get Trump by pretending to be too craven and cowardly to pick a fight, thus lulling him into a false sense of security.

#4050

#4049

D4dTuIcUwAAJ-cM.jpeg: (39.58 KiB) Downloaded 74 times

#4048

#4047

But some people will believe anything they want to believe. Even from the Worst President Ever.

#4046

#4045

#4044

#4043

Brive1987 wrote: ↑

QED

#4042

#4041

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑

For Trump fans what really matters is owning the libs. Principles, shmrinciples.

#4040

#4039

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:08 am
Class A study there ol’ Captain

“We argue that political extremists are less tolerant of different groups and opinions than political moderates”

“We discuss how these psychological features of political extremists increase the likelihood of conflict among groups in society.”

:lol:
Nice ignoring of the rest of it. You look directly at the other side of your part of the horseshoe, you see PZ staring at you across the narrow gap.

Weird, I get David French.

I’d be interested in how you hand wave away this consideration of the use of FBI hate crime data for creepy partisan purpose.

#4038

I’d question your credentials as a gentleman.

#4037

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:27 am

Brive1987 wrote: ↑Exactly. See. That wasn’t so hard. The trick here is spotting apparent tension in the provided terms which suggests layers of meaning.

Something which is “literally virtual” should raise a red flag that it’s not being glibly applied as a BAU term.

Well done.

“During this session you have worked well. With further ...” ;)
Maybe the meme wasn't explicit enough, but I was pointing out that this is part of your shtick, of the typical motte-and-bailey of the meta-modern alt-right. First you build a deliberately hyperbolic narrative ("the Goldy bans are a prelude to genocide, albeit just a literal virtual one") then, when it's convenient, you go back to claiming that your comments weren't serious, they were nuanced and ironic.

OF COURSE you're not suggesting that Goldy being banned from social media, Paypal and AirBnB is a prelude to a genocide, it was only a way to catch the overly literal, dumb libtards by playing their own game, and you were just talking about a "virtual genocide", i.e. some illiberal banning. How could you be so damn literal, I was just kidding, but with enough truth to support my case :snooty:

Meanwhile, the narrative about the existential threat posed to the "dissident" alt-righters is already being built, while calls for oppression from alt-right figures are minimized. The alt-righters are always the real victims and by criticizing them and their ideas people are subconsciously contributing to their marginalization and oppression.
http://i.imgur.com/1aPAW0i.jpg

What if I told you that Lauren Southern is a v
literal political camwhore?

#4036

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:27 am

Brive1987 wrote: ↑Exactly. See. That wasn’t so hard. The trick here is spotting apparent tension in the provided terms which suggests layers of meaning.

Something which is “literally virtual” should raise a red flag that it’s not being glibly applied as a BAU term.

Well done.

“During this session you have worked well. With further ...” ;)
Maybe the meme wasn't explicit enough, but I was pointing out that this is part of your shtick, of the typical motte-and-bailey of the meta-modern alt-right. First you build a deliberately hyperbolic narrative ("the Goldy bans are a prelude to genocide, albeit just a literal virtual one") then, when it's convenient, you go back to claiming that your comments weren't serious, they were nuanced and ironic.

OF COURSE you're not suggesting that Goldy being banned from social media, Paypal and AirBnB is a prelude to a genocide, it was only a way to catch the overly literal, dumb libtards by playing their own game, and you were just talking about a "virtual genocide", i.e. some illiberal banning. How could you be so damn literal, I was just kidding, but with enough truth to support my case :snooty:

Meanwhile, the narrative about the existential threat posed to the "dissident" alt-righters is already being built, while calls for oppression from alt-right figures are minimized. The alt-righters are always the real victims and by criticizing them and their ideas people are subconsciously contributing to their marginalization and oppression.

http://i.imgur.com/1aPAW0i.jpg

#4035

Breaking news: Slimy turd Julian Assange was kicked out of the Ecuadorian embassy in part because he literally smeared his own shit on the walls.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/why- ... ge-n993711

:hankey:

I would say this was an excellent audition for a cabinet level position in the Trump administration, but unfortunately there is no federal bureau of sanitation. Maybe Trump will try to get him in at the CIA instead.

#4034

Brive1987 wrote: ↑Exactly. See. That wasn’t so hard. The trick here is spotting apparent tension in the provided terms which suggests layers of meaning.

Something which is “literally virtual” should raise a red flag that it’s not being glibly applied as a BAU term.

Well done.

“During this session you have worked well. With further ...” ;)

Maybe the meme wasn't explicit enough, but I was pointing out that this is part of your shtick, of the typical motte-and-bailey of the meta-modern alt-right. First you build a deliberately hyperbolic narrative ("the Goldy bans are a prelude to genocide, albeit just a literal virtual one") then, when it's convenient, you go back to claiming that your comments weren't serious, they were nuanced and ironic.

OF COURSE you're not suggesting that Goldy being banned from social media, Paypal and AirBnB is a prelude to a genocide, it was only a way to catch the overly literal, dumb libtards by playing their own game, and you were just talking about a "virtual genocide", i.e. some illiberal banning. How could you be so damn literal, I was just kidding, but with enough truth to support my case :snooty:

Meanwhile, the narrative about the existential threat posed to the "dissident" alt-righters is already being built, while calls for oppression from alt-right figures are minimized. The alt-righters are always the real victims and by criticizing them and their ideas people are subconsciously contributing to their marginalization and oppression.

#4033

Brive1987 wrote: ↑I’m not going to apply too much causal weight to a call for cretinous Genocide. I can’t wait to see what happens when Brenton Tarrant‘s mates are intentionally isolated.

Dugin's rhetoric definitely played a role in the Russian involvement in Eastern Ukraine, which has caused widespread political violence. This is not under dispute.

Or maybe we can compromise and you can be appalled by liberal fascism and I will tut tut Dugin’s call for egg-head extermination.

I'm not a fan of the idea of "deplatforming", especially not for political opinions, bad as they might be (a better case could be made for explicit incitement to violence) but comparing it to fascism is moronic. Goldy hasn't had her civil rights curtailed, she was simply banned from private services, i.e. what people on her side want to do to LGBT people in the infamous "cake" brouhaha. I don't think it's a good idea and it has more than a whiff of illiberalism, but it's not even remotely comparable to the effects of Dugin's rhetoric on political violence.

Being excluded from your social circles isn't pleasant, but it's not the same thing as being shot in the face.

#4032

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑Her Paypal ban and her Airbnb ban were not just “media” bans. Please be more precise in your characterisations.

As far as I’m aware no cretinous Ukrainian was soaped for failing an IQ test. Are the Russians really as literal as the Turks?
There is no political violence in the Ukraine, no siree, and Dugin hasn't helped to justify it, nope, never happened.

The real humanitarian tragedy is when AirBnB and Paypal banned Faith Goldy. How will she ever recover.

I’m not going to apply too much causal weight to a call for cretinous Genocide. I can’t wait to see what happens when Brenton Tarrant‘s mates are intentionally isolated.

Or maybe we can compromise and you can be appalled by liberal fascism and I will tut tut Dugin’s call for egg-head extermination.

#4031

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑ My term (if we want to be accurate and intellectually honest) was a “literal-virtual” genocide.

Which hinted at a self-aware (ironic) nuance which sailed right over your head. :lol:
"I'm not building a victim complex narrative, I'm being self-aware and ironically nuanced"

[img..]https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 29/397.jpg[/img]

Exactly. See. That wasn’t so hard. The trick here is spotting apparent tension in the provided terms which suggests layers of meaning.

Something which is “literally virtual” should raise a red flag that it’s not being glibly applied as a BAU term.

Well done.

“During this session you have worked well. With further ...” ;)

#4030

Brive1987 wrote: ↑Her Paypal ban and her Airbnb ban were not just “media” bans. Please be more precise in your characterisations.

As far as I’m aware no cretinous Ukrainian was soaped for failing an IQ test. Are the Russians really as literal as the Turks?

There is no political violence in the Ukraine, no siree, and Dugin hasn't helped to justify it, nope, never happened.

The real humanitarian tragedy is when AirBnB and Paypal banned Faith Goldy. How will she ever recover.

#4029

Brive1987 wrote: ↑ My term (if we want to be accurate and intellectually honest) was a “literal-virtual” genocide.

Which hinted at a self-aware (ironic) nuance which sailed right over your head. :lol:

"I'm not building a victim complex narrative, I'm being self-aware and ironically nuanced"

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/ori ... 29/397.jpg

#4028

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Good trad genocide: suggesting a cleansing of "cretins"

Bad antitrad genocide: someone gets banned from social media

Seems legit.
One item is an absurdity. The other has material impact.

I suspect you don’t know which is which.
One item is a call for political violence from an influential political thinker who is very close to the authorities of a country which has invaded another.

The other is a social media ban, heavy-handed and counterproductive, but still, just a media ban.

Her Paypal ban and her Airbnb ban were not just “media” bans. Please be more precise in your characterisations.

As far as I’m aware no cretinous Ukrainian was soaped for failing an IQ test. Are the Russians really as literal as the Turks?

#4027

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Do you remember when you laughed at Alexandr Dugin's call for a genocide of "cretins" in the Ukraine, and called it "Russian humor"?

So when someone on your side explicitly calls for a genocide, it's no big deal. But when one of your favorite Youtubers is banned from some online outlets, it's the first step towards a genocide. :think:
His quote was “Ukraine must be clean of idiots. Genocide of the cretins suggests itself”.

I’d make the same observation of the progressive west. :lol:
"When my side talks about genocide, it's "genociding up". But if one of us is banned fr socisl media, thait's genocide, and it's "genociding down" "

My term (if we want to be accurate and intellectually honest) was a “literal-virtual” genocide.

Which hinted at a self-aware (ironic) nuance which sailed right over your head. :lol:

#4026

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Good trad genocide: suggesting a cleansing of "cretins"

Bad antitrad genocide: someone gets banned from social media

Seems legit.
One item is an absurdity. The other has material impact.

I suspect you don’t know which is which.

One item is a call for political violence from an influential political thinker who is very close to the authorities of a country which has invaded another.

The other is a social media ban, heavy-handed and counterproductive, but still, just a media ban.

#4025

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Good trad genocide: suggesting a cleansing of "cretins"

Bad antitrad genocide: someone gets banned from social media

Seems legit.

One item is an absurdity. The other has material impact.

I suspect you don’t know which is which.

#4024

Good trad genocide: suggesting a cleansing of "cretins"

Bad antitrad genocide: someone gets banned from social media

Seems legit.

#4023

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Do you remember when you laughed at Alexandr Dugin's call for a genocide of "cretins" in the Ukraine, and called it "Russian humor"?

So when someone on your side explicitly calls for a genocide, it's no big deal. But when one of your favorite Youtubers is banned from some online outlets, it's the first step towards a genocide. :think:
His quote was “Ukraine must be clean of idiots. Genocide of the cretins suggests itself”.

I’d make the same observation of the progressive west. :lol:

"When my side talks about genocide, it's "genociding up". But if one of us is banned fr socisl media, that's genocide, and it's "genociding down" "

#4022

Brive1987 wrote:What if the same process which led to physical destruction could also be applied to the structural removal from society of thought-criminals.

That would be interesting eh? Would the label you applied to this phenomenon really matter? What if, unbeknownst to yourself, you were a passive participant in these processes?

That would worth contemplating.

Your argument is the same kind of flawed analogical reasoning used by the SocJus to argue that video games promote "rape culture", or that a thing like "stare rape" exists.

You're even arguing for a subconscious and shared guilt, just like the concept of the Patriarchy.

#4021

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:59 pm
Unlike the imposition of substandard coffee, the current social purge conforms with Genocide Watches first three indicators.

You may find this annoying or inconvenient. You may rail again a ‘genocide’ being anything other than gas chambers and crematoria.

But tough. These are the facts for you to process.
No, it doesn't, at least not unless one doesn't redefine the imposition of physical or legal symbols (badges, identifications on ID cards, etc.) by claiming that people calling you something you don't like is imposing a symbol onto you. If I call you dishonest and disingenuous, for example, you may be displeased, but that's not forcing a symbol upon you.

I'm not a fan of smearing people with false or exaggerated accusations, of course, but even that is not what Genocide Watches with their idea of forcing symbols. It's not people calling you names, accurate or not, it's the state (or a powerful state-like entity) assigning you a badge, or a star to put on your chest, or a differently colored passport, or a definition within a database that is the basis for actual policies. It's not "the evil mainstream media called me a white supremacist just because I used the 14 words unironically".

Similarly, being banned from social media isn't a violation of your civil rights. I don't think with banning Goldy or others just for their ideas, awful as they might be, but the examples that the third indicator shows are a ~~teensy~~ bit more substantial than being banned from Paypal or Twitter: it's a matter of apartheid, of being deprived of voting rights, of legally mandated segregation, etc.

You're playing the same po-mo word games that the SocJus plays when it calls different rates of police shootings and different incarceration rates between races the "New Jim Crow". With the difference that while the SocJus is just as hyperbolic in its redefinition of concepts, they're at least talking about real matters of life and death and deprivation of one's freedom in this case.

Or maybe you're closer to the SocJus meme that redefines words they don't like as violence, to justify answering to speech they don't like with violence. :think:

What if the same process which led to physical destruction could also be applied to the structural removal from society of thought-criminals.

That would be interesting eh? Would the label you applied to this phenomenon really matter? What if, unbeknownst to yourself, you were a passive participant in these processes?

That would worth contemplating.

#4020

KiwiInOz wrote: ↑ Brive and Kirb's relationship here reminds me of the story of Bob and the bear (but I'm not sure which one is which).

Bob decided to go hunting bear, one day. So he packed his rifle, ammo, and camo, and set off.

As he was stalking and following a trail a bear came up behind him, ripped his pants down, and gave him a good rogering.

Bob, rather unhappy about not bagging the bear, heads home, planning to come back with more armaments and gear.

The next weekend he headed off to the woods, bristling with firepower. But, as he was peering out from behind a tree, the bear snuck up behind him, tore his pants off, and gave him another good seeing to, before running off.

Bob, shamefacedly heads home, and orders top of the line everything, including the best in camo.

The next weekend he heads back off to the woods where, you guessed it, the bear gets in behind him. Before slipping it in, it whispers, "admit it Bob, you're not here for the hunting, are you?".

Meh, Kirb’s humourless rigidity makes it impossible for him to charitably explore issues. That leaves me with the secondary joy of dangling nuance in order to (repeatedly) confirm this hypothesis.

#4019

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑ Do you remember when you laughed at Alexandr Dugin's call for a genocide of "cretins" in the Ukraine, and called it "Russian humor"?

So when someone on your side explicitly calls for a genocide, it's no big deal. But when one of your favorite Youtubers is banned from some online outlets, it's the first step towards a genocide. :think:

His quote was “Ukraine must be clean of idiots. Genocide of the cretins suggests itself”.

I’d make the same observation of the progressive west. :lol:

#4018

But who's Bob, and who's the bear.

I've got 'em both on ignore, so there's no way I can guess from their posts, and - thank Zog - nobody quotes them very much...

#4017

Brive and Kirb's relationship here reminds me of the story of Bob and the bear (but I'm not sure which one is which).

Bob decided to go hunting bear, one day. So he packed his rifle, ammo, and camo, and set off.

As he was stalking and following a trail a bear came up behind him, ripped his pants down, and gave him a good rogering.

Bob, rather unhappy about not bagging the bear, heads home, planning to come back with more armaments and gear.

The next weekend he headed off to the woods, bristling with firepower. But, as he was peering out from behind a tree, the bear snuck up behind him, tore his pants off, and gave him another good seeing to, before running off.

Bob, shamefacedly heads home, and orders top of the line everything, including the best in camo.

The next weekend he heads back off to the woods where, you guessed it, the bear gets in behind him. Before slipping it in, it whispers, "admit it Bob, you're not here for the hunting, are you?".

#4016

Do you remember when you laughed at Alexandr Dugin's call for a genocide of "cretins" in the Ukraine, and called it "Russian humor"?

So when someone on your side explicitly calls for a genocide, it's no big deal. But when one of your favorite Youtubers is banned from some online outlets, it's the first step towards a genocide. :think:

#4015

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:59 pm
Unlike the imposition of substandard coffee, the current social purge conforms with Genocide Watches first three indicators.

You may find this annoying or inconvenient. You may rail again a ‘genocide’ being anything other than gas chambers and crematoria.

But tough. These are the facts for you to process.

No, it doesn't, at least not unless one doesn't redefine the imposition of physical or legal symbols (badges, identifications on ID cards, etc.) by claiming that people calling you something you don't like is imposing a symbol onto you. If I call you dishonest and disingenuous, for example, you may be displeased, but that's not forcing a symbol upon you.

I'm not a fan of smearing people with false or exaggerated accusations, of course, but even that is not what Genocide Watches with their idea of forcing symbols. It's not people calling you names, accurate or not, it's the state (or a powerful state-like entity) assigning you a badge, or a star to put on your chest, or a differently colored passport, or a definition within a database that is the basis for actual policies. It's not "the evil mainstream media called me a white supremacist just because I used the 14 words unironically".

Similarly, being banned from social media isn't a violation of your civil rights. I don't think with banning Goldy or others just for their ideas, awful as they might be, but the examples that the third indicator shows are a ~~teensy~~ bit more substantial than being banned from Paypal or Twitter: it's a matter of apartheid, of being deprived of voting rights, of legally mandated segregation, etc.

You're playing the same po-mo word games that the SocJus plays when it calls different rates of police shootings and different incarceration rates between races the "New Jim Crow". With the difference that while the SocJus is just as hyperbolic in its redefinition of concepts, they're at least talking about real matters of life and death and deprivation of one's freedom in this case.

Or maybe you're closer to the SocJus meme that redefines words they don't like as violence, to justify answering to speech they don't like with violence. :think:

#4014

Unlike the imposition of substandard coffee, the current social purge conforms with Genocide Watches first three indicators.

You may find this annoying or inconvenient. You may rail again a ‘genocide’ being anything other than gas chambers and crematoria.

But tough. These are the facts for you to process.

#4013

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:42 pm
I don’t like International Roast. And while it’s a crime against humanity it’s not strictly a genocide.

Neither is Faith Goldy being banned from Facebook.

#4012

Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Wow Kirb

[IMG..]http://i.imgur.com/Dpnb9pt.jpg[/IMG]

Your mob has already:

Defined people as either progressive or evil (modernist or trad)
Applied interchangeable symbolic tags of “alt-right, Nazi, nationalist, racist”
Begun the process of discrimination by denying basic transactional services

And now you dehumanise your opposition?

Mein Gott ....
Stop being an idiot.
It’s a literal virtual genocide in the making. The joined dots are astounding.
"Everything I don't like is genocide"

I don’t like International Roast. And while it’s a crime against humanity it’s not strictly a genocide.

#4011

Brive1987 wrote: ↑
Kirbmarc wrote: ↑
Brive1987 wrote: ↑ Wow Kirb

[IMG..]http://i.imgur.com/Dpnb9pt.jpg[/IMG]

Your mob has already:

Defined people as either progressive or evil (modernist or trad)
Applied interchangeable symbolic tags of “alt-right, Nazi, nationalist, racist”
Begun the process of discrimination by denying basic transactional services

And now you dehumanise your opposition?

Mein Gott ....
Stop being an idiot.
It’s a literal virtual genocide in the making. The joined dots are astounding.

"Everything I don't like is genocide"

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