#2994
by Brive1987 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 12:49 am
Old_ones wrote: ↑
Did you actually listen to this podcast? The one I heard was an analysis of what advantages and disadvantages Sanders has with Democratic primary voters. Having that analysis without discussing demographics and identity would be assinine, particularly when Clinton smoked Sanders with Black voters, who are a significant Democratic constituency. I must have missed the point where Silver et al. expressed opinions on whether the Democratic party's leftward shift is good, or whether identity voting
should be a significant factor in the Democratic primary. Maybe you need to look up the is/ought problem, if you don't understand what I'm on about. The fact that fivethirtyeight explores political considerations that demonstrably exist in the Democratic party doesn't mean they are endorsing them. They do this with republicans as well.
On that note, here is another ideological blowhard denouncing 538 for doing statistical modeling, instead of peddling the correct virtue signals:
PZ Myers wrote:Also, I’m more than a little tired of anything to do with Nate Silver, who is the political equivalent of a horse racing tout. Don’t care. Shut up about polls, tell me more about policy.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... -it-again/
So you can see who else shares your inability to understand any political reasoning that isn't explicitly value driven.
Surprisingly I listen to them on a regular basis. I even manage to (usually) keep my lunch down listening to the asinine Pod Save America. Which probably makes me the most roundly informed person in the room,when it comes to polar viewpoints.
538 are unabashedly partisan Democrat. I mean really. Jody, Julia. Gallen and Micah :lol:
They may not wear their progressive values on their sleeves as aggressively as Pod Cast America. But my point was, as they pointed out:
+ there is a definite left lurch.
+ the socialist trend was rolling pre 2016 but had a major injection of momentum from Bernie
+ there is huge Dem alignment to minority and gender specific support bases
+ for 2020, intersectional identity politics will deliniate the otherwise vanilla left economic field
+ consequently Bernie is pretty much screwed.
+ Bernie’s only hope is to turn his 15% (or was it 30%? They kept changing) support into a Trump like catalyst.
+ they didn’t sound confident They weren’t exactly in mourning either.
+ PZ would have felt at home. Very little mention of poles. It was all SJ approved topics of identity.
....
In general, there is a very comfortable focus on race/gender on left centric podcasts like TYT, 538 et al. It is often far more explicitly stated than on the dreaded right commentaries like Wife with a Purpose. Being pro oppressed minority does not incur the same opprobrium as that garnered by supporters of traditional European society.
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Where left liberal five thirty eight discuss the wonderful lurch to the left, 30mins of intersectional social justice and how Bernie is stuffed because all he has is dime a dozen free stuff - but he isn’t a black woman.
FTB writ large.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-bernie-sanderss-path-to-the-democratic-nomination/
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Did you actually listen to this podcast? The one I heard was an analysis of what advantages and disadvantages Sanders has with Democratic primary voters. Having that analysis without discussing demographics and identity would be assinine, particularly when Clinton smoked Sanders with Black voters, who are a significant Democratic constituency. I must have missed the point where Silver et al. expressed opinions on whether the Democratic party's leftward shift is good, or whether identity voting [i]should[/i] be a significant factor in the Democratic primary. Maybe you need to look up the is/ought problem, if you don't understand what I'm on about. The fact that fivethirtyeight explores political considerations that demonstrably exist in the Democratic party doesn't mean they are endorsing them. They do this with republicans as well.
On that note, here is another ideological blowhard denouncing 538 for doing statistical modeling, instead of peddling the correct virtue signals:
[quote="PZ Myers"]Also, I’m more than a little tired of anything to do with Nate Silver, who is the political equivalent of a horse racing tout. Don’t care. Shut up about polls, tell me more about policy.[/quote]
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/09/21/the-democrats-are-doing-it-again/
So you can see who else shares your inability to understand any political reasoning that isn't explicitly value driven.
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Surprisingly I listen to them on a regular basis. I even manage to (usually) keep my lunch down listening to the asinine Pod Save America. Which probably makes me the most roundly informed person in the room,when it comes to polar viewpoints.
538 are unabashedly partisan Democrat. I mean really. Jody, Julia. Gallen and Micah :lol:
They may not wear their progressive values on their sleeves as aggressively as Pod Cast America. But my point was, as they pointed out:
+ there is a definite left lurch.
+ the socialist trend was rolling pre 2016 but had a major injection of momentum from Bernie
+ there is huge Dem alignment to minority and gender specific support bases
+ for 2020, intersectional identity politics will deliniate the otherwise vanilla left economic field
+ consequently Bernie is pretty much screwed.
+ Bernie’s only hope is to turn his 15% (or was it 30%? They kept changing) support into a Trump like catalyst.
+ they didn’t sound confident They weren’t exactly in mourning either.
+ PZ would have felt at home. Very little mention of poles. It was all SJ approved topics of identity.
....
In general, there is a very comfortable focus on race/gender on left centric podcasts like TYT, 538 et al. It is often far more explicitly stated than on the dreaded right commentaries like Wife with a Purpose. Being pro oppressed minority does not incur the same opprobrium as that garnered by supporters of traditional European society.