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Re: The Trump Dump!

#3697

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:16 am



This is funny.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3696

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:50 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3695

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:33 am

Brive1987 wrote: “No evidence of collusion”

Can’t say “yes” or “no” on obstruction. Let’s go presumption of innocence eh?

Haha Let's instead go with "does not exonerate" and remember the Benghazi fun & games. Let's ultimately read the report, because I have this feeling that it doesn't leave Trump smelling of roses.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3694

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:15 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3693

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:11 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3692

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:08 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3691

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:05 am

So even Barr's report (Barr chosen specifically because he didn't believe that a sitting president could be indicted) says "does not exonerate" and the usual Trumpsuckers start crowing that it's a complete victory. Because Trump says so. And despite John's particularly wonky musings, I can assure you Democrats very much want the report released. Trump won't look particularly good in that "cannot exonerate" bit. Do recall that it was Barr, not an impartial observer that decided it didn't rise to the level of criminal.

As I've said here previously, the SDNY is going to provide popcorn. If you feel I'm wrong, wanna bet?

Goddamn, you idiots crowing over "yay, he's getting away with it!" I'd laugh, but it's kinda sad.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3690

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:58 am



Jeez, I wonder why?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3689

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:54 am

John D wrote: and... FluffyBinny really does have TDS. It is proven
You really are retarded. It is established.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3688

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:07 pm



This situation could amuse me forever

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3687

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:37 pm

The “Beginning of the end” compilation is amusing.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3686

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:02 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3685

by John D » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:02 pm

John D wrote: and... FluffyBunny really does have TDS. It is proven
My response to your amazing musical argument....

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3684

by free thoughtpolice » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:14 am

John D wrote: and... FluffyBinny really does have TDS. It is proven
Sheeple may safely graze:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3683

by John D » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:24 am

Lsuoma wrote: As expected, Trump is hinting darkly that he's going to try and fuck over everyone who he thinks had it in for him during the investigation.

My question is: how long before the full Mueller report gets leaked?
I don't think either the Dems or the Reps want the document leaked. The Dems want to publish the very redacted document from Barr and claim that the redacted areas are full of evidence against Trump.

The Reps don't want a leaked document, because the Dems will go after every person listed in the report.... many Reps included.

Just my 2c. I could be totally wrong on this.

I will say this. It is a constitutional requirement that Barr redact the names of everyone who was not prosecuted. This means the document must be highly redacted. Let the games begin... since the House already voted 100% to publish the report with no redactions (even though it is unconstitutional).

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3682

by Lsuoma » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:10 am

As expected, Trump is hinting darkly that he's going to try and fuck over everyone who he thinks had it in for him during the investigation.

My question is: how long before the full Mueller report gets leaked?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3681

by John D » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:59 am

Bunny

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3680

by John D » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:59 am

and... FluffyBinny really does have TDS. It is proven

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3679

by John D » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:53 am

Trump is knocking it out of the park with independent voters on the Russia thing. He was in a news conference with Bebe and said "We have to make sure this never happens to another President again!" Haha.

He is killing it and, even so, the Dems will keep investigating. The Dems will keep investigating because it helps with local elections, and I predict they will find some relatively small issues with Trump. He will do some unseemly stuff and has done a few nasty things. But, most people will not care. Most Americans think all politicians are dirty to some extent. Many people voted for Trump knowing he was a bit of a scumbag.

I think that people who already hate Trump will simply believe he colluded... because of TDS. People in the Republican party are going to be more in love with him than even. Independent voters will mostly think Trump is a bit of a shit, but the Dems are not doing a good job running the country. Ultimately, most voters want to think that the country is being run reasonably well. The Dems have a losing strategy in my opinion.

Keep in mind that, while Trump has a 45% approval rating, congress is at something like 10% and so is the media. Really, people like Trump more than almost anything else in politics right now.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3678

by MarcusAu » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:09 am

Brive1987 wrote: There are many things I haven’t been exonerated of.
Not officially.
Brive1987 wrote: ...the Republicans have been energised on behalf of their unfairly victimised President
Even if true - it makes no different to me either way if someone is classified as a 'victim' (based on trial by media at least). In other circumstances such a status would be dismissed out of hand.

Worst comes to worst, he could take a leaf out of the Nunes guys book and sue.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3677

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:47 am

Between crazy-ivan and Kavanaugh-kapers, the Democrat/Lib complex has built itself a shit brand.

The problem with having cast Trump as the blackest of black crooks is that you look foolish if you back down and insane + vindictive if you double down. Meanwhile the Republicans have been energised on behalf of their unfairly victimised President.

Own goal.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3676

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:39 am

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: Let’s go presumption of innocence eh?
As long as no one says it exonerates him.
There are many things I haven’t been exonerated of.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3675

by MarcusAu » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:33 am

Clarence wrote: Mostly staying away from this site...
Well, it's nice to have you back...even if it's just temporary...

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3674

by MarcusAu » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:32 am

Brive1987 wrote: Let’s go presumption of innocence eh?
As long as no one says it exonerates him.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3673

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:49 pm

“No evidence of collusion”

Can’t say “yes” or “no” on obstruction. Let’s go presumption of innocence eh?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3672

by Keating » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:07 pm

Probably appropriate that Trump has his own firm of birtherism.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3671

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:00 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Clarence wrote: I'm enjoying...
Where the fuck have you been?
Mostly staying away from this site as I had no interest in lots of the particular SJW dramas being covered, and also I was sick of the anti-Trump bullying some here were conducting. I did come back about maybe 8 times total just to read (but the main thread, not here) and , while I had a few laughs, felt no need to respond to anything. Only thing I promised myself was that if the Mueller Witch Hunt ever ended I'd be back to see and respond to the reactions, assuming there were any. Slymepit has seemed rather quiet the past year or so, prolly because FTB and the various personalities involved in that have mostly faded to obscurity and irrelevance, and even the return of a few oldsters didn't bring the excitement anymore. I've been at Kotaku in Action and other places like the Farms (Kiwi) to get my anti-sjw fix...

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3670

by MarcusAu » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:55 pm

Clarence wrote: I'm enjoying...
Where the fuck have you been?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3669

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:51 pm

And of course some here are crowing about the SDNY and such.
A. Sources say that not only will there not be any NEW indictments, but that none of the currently SEALED indictments have anything to do with this investigation.
B. SDNY is now under Trump's Justice Department.
They are just as capable of 'covering up' for Trump as they were for Clinton. Difference is, unlike the Clinton laptop, there will be actual press coverage...but since many if not most will no longer believe the 'mainstream press' ...suck it, Trump haters. You did this to yourself. You refused to hold Obama accountable for anything, and think investigations of Hillary where she is never placed under Oath and her friends are conducting them are not worthy of the side-eye....

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3668

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:45 pm

Ahh, here's the link to the chapter of the book I've been taking quotes from:

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagat ... -a-million

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3667

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:42 pm

Ahh, more later. There's so many more good things to quote just from that: about all the press's lies, confident predictions of impeachment and handcuffs for the Don and the Junior, and etc.
So many tweets and news segments to link to. Having aged about as well as a crack whore who decided she wanted to diversify her drug portfolio to include crystal meth.
So many tears and so much Trump Derangement. And so few willing to even admit being wrong.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3666

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:33 pm

Some quotes, since this is long (chapter of a book) and I'm sure TLDR:

About the New York Times:
"The paper was signaling it understood there would now be questions about whether or not news outlets like itself made galactic errors by betting heavily on a new, politicized approach, trying to be true to “history’s judgment” on top of the hard-enough job of just being true. Worse, in a brutal irony everyone should have seen coming, the press has now handed Trump the mother of campaign issues heading into 2020.

Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

This is a predictable result.

About the rest of this thread: "There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn’t prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr.? The financial matters! There’s an ongoing grand jury investigation, and possible sealed indictments, and the House will still investigate, and…

Stop. Just stop. Any journalist who goes there is making it worse.

For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something “so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecute.

The biggest thing this affair has uncovered so far is Donald Trump paying off a porn star. That’s a hell of a long way from what this business was supposedly about at the beginning, and shame on any reporter who tries to pretend this isn’t so."
:lol: :lol: :lol:


"There was never real gray area here. Either Trump is a compromised foreign agent, or he isn’t. If he isn’t, news outlets once again swallowed a massive disinformation campaign, only this error is many orders of magnitude more stupid than any in the recent past, WMD included. Honest reporters like ABC’s Terry Moran understand: Mueller coming back empty-handed on collusion means a “reckoning for the media.”

Well, considering the Washington Post hasn't done anything but suck our almost totally unregulated and unoversighted intelligence agencies balls since 9-11, it's not a surprise. So much so that The Washington Post is sometimes called "The Cia's House Organ". The Post has been the conduit for Comey's leaks. Why allegedly intelligent people here seem to trust them without limit EVEN when it comes to Cloak & Dagger stuff is beyond me.

I've yet to see, for instance, a single bit of proof that the Democrats server was really hacked by the Russians. Remember that CROWDSTRIKE is the only entity (not a US government agency and certainly not anyone in the New Administrations FBI) that had access to them and that CROWDSTRIKE is basically a political 'forensics' op. That is, they are not above faking things for their political clients, in this case the Democratic party.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3665

by Clarence » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:19 pm

I'm enjoying the tears and the (predicted) doubling-down of some on this board.
Here's a professional ethicist on the Mueller Report and the Trump Deranged:
https://ethicsalarms.com/2019/03/23/eth ... pointment/

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3664

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:06 pm

This is what the Trump administration and its enablers in Congress and media are already calling exoneration.But it offers no reassurance to Americans who cherish the independence and integrity of their political process.

The question unanswered by the attorney general’s summary of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report is: Why? Russian President Vladimir Putin took an extreme risk by interfering in the 2016 election as he did. Had Hillary Clinton won the presidency, the most likely outcome, Russia would have been exposed to fierce retaliation by a powerful adversary. The prize of a Trump presidency must have glittered alluringly indeed to Putin and his associates. Why?

Did they admire Donald Trump’s anti-NATO, anti-EU, anti-ally, pro-Assad, pro-Putin ideology?

Were they attracted by his contempt for the rule of law and dislike of democracy?

Did they hold compromising information about him, financial or otherwise?

Were there business dealings in the past, present, or future?

Or were they simply attracted by Trump’s general ignorance and incompetence, seeing him as a kind of wrecking ball to be smashed into the U.S. government and U.S. foreign policy?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ce=twitter

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3663

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:59 pm



That's a good question. :think:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3662

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:30 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3661

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:28 pm

It was said "wait until the report comes out," not "wait until the hand-picked AG that previously criticized the investigation releases a letter about his interpretations of the report."

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3660

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:25 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3659

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:22 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:35 pm
Brive1987 wrote: [IMG.]http://i.imgur.com/ZS6tSiN.jpg[/IMG]

“No further indictments”

Sounds like Trump and his gang are on the mat.
(snip)
Submitted without comment.
Benjamin Wittes wrote: The president should wait before popping the champagne corks over this and tweeting in triumph. Yes, in the best-case scenario for the president, Mueller is not proceeding further because he lacks the evidence to do so. But even this possibility contains multitudes: everything from what the president calls “NO COLLUSION!” to evidence that falls just short of adequate to prove criminal conduct to a reasonable jury beyond a reasonable doubt—evidence that could still prove devastating if the conduct at issue becomes public.

There are other possibilities as well. It’s possible, for example, that Mueller is not proceeding against certain defendants other than the president because he has referred them to other prosecutorial offices; some of these referrals are already public, and it’s reasonable to expect there may be other referrals too. In this iteration, what is ending here is not the investigation, merely the portion of the investigation Mueller chose to retain for himself. It’s possible also that Mueller is finished because he has determined that while the evidence would support a prosecution of the president, he is bound by the Justice Department’s long-standing position that the president is not amenable to criminal process. On the obstruction front, he may well have concluded that, while the president acted to obstruct the investigation, he cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president’s obstructive acts were not exercises of Trump’s Article II powers. It’s also possible that Mueller has strong prudential reasons for not proceeding with otherwise viable cases.

...

Vindication for the president will take place only when we learn that the facts contained in the report exculpate him. The end of the Mueller probe could well prove tomorrow to be merely the creation of a factual record for the next act of this drama.
(emphasis mine)

https://www.lawfareblog.com/very-quick- ... estigation
Resubmitted without comment. Change of emphasis mine.

Ok I will do comment. For a bunch of dudes who I’ve cautioned to keep the squeals down till there is resolution, well it seems mighty odd that you are all “let’s wait and see” now.
That's because this isn't the resolution, you and other Trumpettes just want it to be one. Selective density.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3658

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:19 pm



Of course, that's why Barr was chosen. And again, this is his summary. I'm sure he'll release the full report. :whistle:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3657

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:09 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3656

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:56 am

I guess the finger is poised to flip the switch from Obama’s economy to Trump’s. :lol:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3655

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:47 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3654

by free thoughtpolice » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:28 am

Trump may have broken the law, but because he is a sitting president and/or some crimes may be not prosecutable because of the statute of limitations. Part of the special prosecutors rules are that if there are no indictments the details of the investigation should be kept secret to protect the target from unnecessary embarrassment.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ss/585577/
The fact that this prosecutor, unlike other prosecutors, cannot indict if he finds an indictable offense may seem to put pressure on the attorney general to share the report with Congress, which can remedy presidential misconduct through impeachment.
But this unusual situation does not somehow work a repeal of well-established traditions of confidentiality. If the House wants to consider impeachment, it needs to do its own work. It would be odd in the extreme to ask, in effect, the executive branch to become a tool of the legislative branch in a death-struggle with the only individual identified in the Constitution as the possessor and wielder of executive power: the president. That was the old way, under the old statute. Congress did away with that approach, and wisely so.
Ironically, congress "did away with that approach, and wisely so" because of the partisan excesses of the author of this piece, Ken Starr.
Look for a battle to keep the Mueller report completely secret for as long as possible. It's conceivable that if Trump dies in office he may well have been found to commit crimes that the public will never hear about.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3653

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:13 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3652

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:10 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3651

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:09 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3650

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:07 am

I note none of the Republicans close to Trump are calling for the release of the report. Odd, since they're also claiming it exonerates him.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3649

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:27 am

Kirbmarc wrote:
The extreme version of the "Russian collusion" narrative, the one that talked about Trump being "blackmailed" by the Russians (over the "pee tape" or other things) or a "puppet" to Russian interests, always seemed very unlikely to me, and those who obsessively pushed it (like Louise Mensch) didn't seem very rational.
Mensch has a ticket at the back of a long democratic mob of pitchfork carrying pugilists.

Leave the poor dame alone.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3648

by Kirbmarc » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:57 pm

I find it a bit funny that in the US it's not illegal to be a lobbyist for a foreign power, as long as you don't lie about it to a prosecutor. You can get away with "persuading" congressmen or senators or even federal agencies to change their rules to favor a foreign power, even one as awful as Saudi Arabia, as long as you openly declare what you're doing. Flynn got in trouble not for serving the interests of Turkey in the US, but for lying about it to the FBI.

There are lots of loopholes to get away with what is very, very close to bribery but isn't quite bribery enough to be illegal.

So I wouldn't be surprised if Trump and his associates engaged in shady but not strictly illegal activities (or activities which were not likely to produce evidence of illegal action) activity when it came to their Russian dealings.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3647

by Kirbmarc » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:45 pm

I think that it's perfectly possible that Trump and associates might have done shady, but not strictly illegal things when it comes to their deals with Russia.

The extreme version of the "Russian collusion" narrative, the one that talked about Trump being "blackmailed" by the Russians (over the "pee tape" or other things) or a "puppet" to Russian interests, always seemed very unlikely to me, and those who obsessively pushed it (like Louise Mensch) didn't seem very rational.

There was still reasonable room to investigate whether there were some illegal financial/political dealings between the Trump campaign and the Russians over some quid pro quo in terms of dirt on Clinton over favorable lifting of sanctions.

It's possible that Trump&co might have found a way to have a shady but not illegal deal: after all lobbies and special interests have lots of leeway in the US, and "pay for play" is a feature for American politics. Many Trump associates have toed the line between corruption and lobbying, because indeed that's pretty thin and confused line, since American laws allow for plenty of morally dubious behavior when it comes to lobbying and political fundraising. People like Manafort or Stone have been caught doing illegal things, others might have been a little more careful or lucky.

Whether Trump should be impeached or not for shady but not strictly illegal deals depends on your interpretation of "high crimes and misdemeanors". I think at this point Trump is quite unlikely to get impeached anyway, since the Republicans control the Senate and they have every reason not to remove Trump unless there's a clear "smoking gun", which at this point is unlikely to come up.

Still, it'd be interesting to read Mueller's report, to find out exactly what it says. There might be some pretty damning evidence of some behavior which is not strictly speaking illegal, or illegal but not worth risking precedent against indicting sitting Presidents, but is still so egregious that it might matter politically. It's a bit of a long shot, though, considering just how much Trump has gotten away with.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3646

by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:43 pm

538 had a very subdued Mueller emergency podcast.

Pretty minor fry in quality and quantity compared to other investigations. 7 court cases (once you strip out the Russkies who won’t face justice). None of them collusion based. No evidence Mueller was stopped from bringing any indictments. No other obvious political interference. No additional indictments likely.

No fire. No fury.

I’m sure their dreams will be realised with the summary release though.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3645

by free thoughtpolice » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:48 am

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3644

by Old_ones » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:11 pm

Brive1987 wrote: Ok I will do comment. For a bunch of dudes who I’ve cautioned to keep the squeals down till there is resolution, well it seems mighty odd that you are all “let’s wait and see” now.
It's almost as if there were a report concluding a 2 year investigation, the content of which is still unknown to the public. All those red words you highlighted make exactly that point, genius. I'm not sure why you would assume Trump is exonerated just because Mueller didn't try to breach DOJ policy to indict a sitting president.

My mind hasn't changed about the probable significance of the Trump tower meeting, or the fact that Trump was privately trying to work out a deal for a tower in Moscow, while he lied to the public about having no business in Russia during the 2016 election. I'm still convinced he is a criminal based on publicly available information. What I don't know is what Mueller's analysis will be, what new evidence will be in the report, or what recommendations he might make.

Maybe Mueller will make no recommendations and say that the evidence linking Trump to Russia is too tenuous to inform any solid conclusion. If that's the case, congratulations to Mr. Trump, and I hope he has a clear conscience with respect to his finances and business dealings, because those are under investigation as well (by SDNY). And he's already been implicated in a campaign finance felony in that investigation.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3643

by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:10 pm

Old_ones wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:35 pm
Brive1987 wrote: [IMG.]http://i.imgur.com/ZS6tSiN.jpg[/IMG]

“No further indictments”

Sounds like Trump and his gang are on the mat.
(snip)
Submitted without comment.
Benjamin Wittes wrote: The president should wait before popping the champagne corks over this and tweeting in triumph. Yes, in the best-case scenario for the president, Mueller is not proceeding further because he lacks the evidence to do so. But even this possibility contains multitudes: everything from what the president calls “NO COLLUSION!” to evidence that falls just short of adequate to prove criminal conduct to a reasonable jury beyond a reasonable doubt—evidence that could still prove devastating if the conduct at issue becomes public.

There are other possibilities as well. It’s possible, for example, that Mueller is not proceeding against certain defendants other than the president because he has referred them to other prosecutorial offices; some of these referrals are already public, and it’s reasonable to expect there may be other referrals too. In this iteration, what is ending here is not the investigation, merely the portion of the investigation Mueller chose to retain for himself. It’s possible also that Mueller is finished because he has determined that while the evidence would support a prosecution of the president, he is bound by the Justice Department’s long-standing position that the president is not amenable to criminal process. On the obstruction front, he may well have concluded that, while the president acted to obstruct the investigation, he cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president’s obstructive acts were not exercises of Trump’s Article II powers. It’s also possible that Mueller has strong prudential reasons for not proceeding with otherwise viable cases.

...

Vindication for the president will take place only when we learn that the facts contained in the report exculpate him. The end of the Mueller probe could well prove tomorrow to be merely the creation of a factual record for the next act of this drama.
(emphasis mine)

https://www.lawfareblog.com/very-quick- ... estigation
Resubmitted without comment. Change of emphasis mine.

Ok I will do comment. For a bunch of dudes who I’ve cautioned to keep the squeals down till there is resolution, well it seems mighty odd that you are all “let’s wait and see” now.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3642

by Old_ones » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:35 pm

Brive1987 wrote: [IMG.]http://i.imgur.com/ZS6tSiN.jpg[/IMG]

“No further indictments”

Sounds like Trump and his gang are on the mat.
(snip)
Submitted without comment.
Benjamin Wittes wrote: The president should wait before popping the champagne corks over this and tweeting in triumph. Yes, in the best-case scenario for the president, Mueller is not proceeding further because he lacks the evidence to do so. But even this possibility contains multitudes: everything from what the president calls “NO COLLUSION!” to evidence that falls just short of adequate to prove criminal conduct to a reasonable jury beyond a reasonable doubt—evidence that could still prove devastating if the conduct at issue becomes public.

There are other possibilities as well. It’s possible, for example, that Mueller is not proceeding against certain defendants other than the president because he has referred them to other prosecutorial offices; some of these referrals are already public, and it’s reasonable to expect there may be other referrals too. In this iteration, what is ending here is not the investigation, merely the portion of the investigation Mueller chose to retain for himself. It’s possible also that Mueller is finished because he has determined that while the evidence would support a prosecution of the president, he is bound by the Justice Department’s long-standing position that the president is not amenable to criminal process. On the obstruction front, he may well have concluded that, while the president acted to obstruct the investigation, he cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president’s obstructive acts were not exercises of Trump’s Article II powers. It’s also possible that Mueller has strong prudential reasons for not proceeding with otherwise viable cases.

...

Vindication for the president will take place only when we learn that the facts contained in the report exculpate him. The end of the Mueller probe could well prove tomorrow to be merely the creation of a factual record for the next act of this drama.
(emphasis mine)

https://www.lawfareblog.com/very-quick- ... estigation

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3641

by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:50 pm



“We wish you a mueller Christmas” 🎄

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3640

by Sunder » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:41 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:29 am
Honestly this is beyond absurd. Trump's entire staff at this point is nothing but people who will do whatever he says. There should not be any internal conflicts unless either the boss is so stupid and scatterbrained that he doesn't even pay attention to what's going on, or he's actively creating chaos for shits and giggles.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:14 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: This has been covered before, Brive. There is considerable opposition to indicting a sitting president. That will be up to confess after viewing the report.
I know - that’s why I said “gang”. What I posted doesn’t seem to be a compelling indication of success.
As Manafort apparently won't be facing a conspiring with Russians charge likely no one else will at least in the "collusion" sense. We will see, but also the scope of Mueller's investigation was limited, so other investigations may uncover other crimes.
My previous post quotes an article that talks about other investigation of Trump and the gang. We will see.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:37 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: This has been covered before, Brive. There is considerable opposition to indicting a sitting president. That will be up to confess after viewing the report.
I know - that’s why I said “gang”. What I posted doesn’t seem to be a compelling indication of success.

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