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Re: The Trump Dump!

#3569

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:55 pm

Trolling FTW? But no, if only one progressive’s POV is bent back into shape ... well, then my work will be worth it.

Ummm. My god. She has a dick.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3568

by free thoughtpolice » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:29 pm

Brive1987 wrote: So FT (usually) finds CFB tiresome. He had Kirb on ignore. Placid Keating has snifffed at FTP (over in ethno-thread). Now dear Fuzzy has turned feral.

Surely the mob can’t be turning of the Pit’s “rat pack”? :lol: :lol:
You aren't a troll at all are you.?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3567

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:05 pm

And yes. I know some see me as the biggest rat 🐀 of them all.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3566

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:04 pm

So FT (usually) finds CFB tiresome. He had Kirb on ignore. Placid Keating has snifffed at FTP (over in ethno-thread). Now dear Fuzzy has turned feral.

Surely the mob can’t be turning of the Pit’s “rat pack”? :lol: :lol:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3565

by Old_ones » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:34 pm

fuzzy wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote: Reminder apropos of nothing that zero people were convicted of any crimes in six years of Clinton investigations.
That's because the FBI are all a bunch of fanatic Demoncrats and the investigation was rigged. :P
You will never possess the intelligence to understand how stupid you make yourself look.
Right back at you.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3564

by fuzzy » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:56 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Sunder wrote: Reminder apropos of nothing that zero people were convicted of any crimes in six years of Clinton investigations.
That's because the FBI are all a bunch of fanatic Demoncrats and the investigation was rigged. :P
You will never possess the intelligence to understand how stupid you make yourself look.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3563

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:48 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3562

by jugheadnaut » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:04 pm

Sunder wrote: I didn't think it would be necessary to specify which Clinton I was talking about, but Bill was not it.

I also was not referring to Chelsea Clinton, George Clinton, or Clint Eastwood (given name Clinton). Just to help narrow it down.
The Whitewater investigation was targeted at both Clintons, not just Bill. In fact, Webster Hubbell only became ensnared because it eventually encompassed issues at Hillary Clinton's law firm.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3561

by Sunder » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:49 am

I didn't think it would be necessary to specify which Clinton I was talking about, but Bill was not it.

I also was not referring to Chelsea Clinton, George Clinton, or Clint Eastwood (given name Clinton). Just to help narrow it down.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3560

by jugheadnaut » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 am

Sunder wrote: Reminder apropos of nothing that zero people were convicted of any crimes in six years of Clinton investigations.

I imagine you're talking about the Benghazi and e-mail investigations, because when it comes to the 1990's Clinton administration, there were plenty of convictions. 15 people were convicted of over 40 crimes from the Whitewater investigation alone (which, of course, metastasized), including Jim Guy Tucker, the sitting governor of Arkansas at the time, and Webster Hubbell, Clinton's Associate Attorney General.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewate ... onvictions

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3559

by free thoughtpolice » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:46 am

Sunder wrote: Reminder apropos of nothing that zero people were convicted of any crimes in six years of Clinton investigations.
That's because the FBI are all a bunch of fanatic Demoncrats and the investigation was rigged. :P

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3558

by Sunder » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:11 am

Reminder apropos of nothing that zero people were convicted of any crimes in six years of Clinton investigations.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3557

by Kirbmarc » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:38 am

Brive1987 wrote: Well that made a lot of sense.
Just offering some dramatization of what the people who posted that tweet might have thought to come up with such a cringe-worthy take.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3556

by Brive1987 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:21 am

Well that made a lot of sense.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3555

by Kirbmarc » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:50 am

"They're calling us racists again"

"But we're not! We just hate libtards! I'm fine with good black people like Candace Owens and Ben Carson. They're the good ones."

"Right, we need to make fun of a libtard who's white...mmmh...what about that prissy asshole O'Rourke?"

"Right! Totally a honkey, that fucking mick, even if he pretends to be a spic! And it's Saint Patrick's Day, so I've found a picture of him taken after he was arrested for a DUI offence!"

"LOOOOL that's funny"

Soon:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3554

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:43 pm

Old_ones wrote: https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/ ... .png?w=575
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ho ... hitewater/

To date Mueller has indicted or convicted 37 people (the graphic above was made in May 2018), and this isn't a long investigation by historical standards. Not that he has to justify has to justify the length of his investigation to anyone other than the AG.

For the full list of indictments see this source:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury
Pretty picture.

1x making false statements to the FBI: 14-day sentence.
1x another “false statement”
1x another “false statement”
1x another false statement - 30 days
1x pre Trump work for Ukrainian politicians and personal finances
1x “similar charges” to above
13x Russians with no observed connection to Trump
1x indentity theft in relation to above. 6 months.
1x Russian involved with Mafafort’s pre Trump Ukrainian thingie
12 x Russians for email hacking. No direct connection to Trump.
Cohen for personal finances and alleged campaign fund violations. First possible strike.
Stone, not on the Trump team, for alleged conversations with Wikileaks.
Patten for not registering as a lobbyist for Ukrainians.

Not exactly the burning of the Reichstag. But exactly what I’d expect to see from a trawling operation and the unsurprising gamification of the election by Putin. I’d be disappointed if the United States didn’t play similar games. Weaponised Facebook adverts. Far worse than hanging chads.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3553

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:27 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: No.

The graphic harks back to the call that “today is the day where Trump was brought down”.

How about you limit yourself to actual arrests of his gang, or maybe even convictions?
The reasons for this have been explained, many times. So honestly, you think he's innocent? Just a big witch hunt?
I acknowledged the whole “Trump can’t be charged” thing by referencing his gang. When Trump Foundation execs are hauled off then things are real. But as I mentioned elsewhere, Trump’s support is not predicated on quaint traditional notions of Governmental virtue.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3552

by Old_ones » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:12 pm

https://fivethirtyeight.com/wp-content/ ... .png?w=575
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ho ... hitewater/

To date Mueller has indicted or convicted 37 people (the graphic above was made in May 2018), and this isn't a long investigation by historical standards. Not that he has to justify has to justify the length of his investigation to anyone other than the AG.

For the full list of indictments see this source:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... grand-jury

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3551

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:38 pm

Brive1987 wrote: No.

The graphic harks back to the call that “today is the day where Trump was brought down”.

How about you limit yourself to actual arrests of his gang, or maybe even convictions?
The reasons for this have been explained, many times. So honestly, you think he's innocent? Just a big witch hunt?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3550

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:07 pm

No.

The graphic harks back to the call that “today is the day where Trump was brought down”.

How about you limit yourself to actual arrests of his gang, or maybe even convictions?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3549

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:34 pm

I will take this as a tacit admission that you know your guy is guilty, that Trump has all the honor and dignity of rat gonorrhea, and the only thing you care about is your agenda. A proud moment for conservatives.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3548

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:27 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3547

by Old_ones » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:57 pm

But... But... No Collusion! Fake News! What about Hillary's emails!! I CAN"T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA!!!

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3546

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:26 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3545

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:24 pm



#YangGang

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3544

by Brive1987 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:46 am

“Very keen to lower the voting age to 16”



Quelle surprise. :o

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3543

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:44 pm

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3542

by Brive1987 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:11 pm

Biden’s Presidential site has been launched.

https://joebiden.info/

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3541

by Old_ones » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:11 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: Sigh. It's not partisan to interpret it as a threat. There is no doubt he meant it as a threat. Trump is increasingly understanding the peril he's in. Once he thought he could get away with anything, he said as much. Then he thought he could pardon himself and his out of trouble. Now those options are being ground away, and even if he dismisses Mueller, he's still got the House and SDNY. His unveiled threat is quite clear to those that don't reflexively spin his words to try and make him appear either intelligent or moral. He is neither.
He's not going to dismiss Mueller, because at this point it isn't going to do him any good. He could dismiss Mueller, and congress could still subpoena Mueller for the evidence he's compiled or ask him to come testify. I can't remember which analyst I read, but someone suggested that at this point Trump would be trying to block a report rather than an investigation, and there are a lot of ways a finished report can find it's way out and into the public consciousness. That also points at the fundamental problem for Trump in general - he hasn't kept his crimes covered. Even if Mueller titles his report "Nothing to See Here: No Collusion of Any Kind" the SDNY investigation has already found evidence of multiple felonies. If Trump has any brains at all he should be terrified by the fact that the Manhattan DA went after Manafort. His "red lines" around finances haven't worked and there is blood in the water.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3540

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:17 am

Sigh. It's not partisan to interpret it as a threat. There is no doubt he meant it as a threat. Trump is increasingly understanding the peril he's in. Once he thought he could get away with anything, he said as much. Then he thought he could pardon himself and his out of trouble. Now those options are being ground away, and even if he dismisses Mueller, he's still got the House and SDNY. His unveiled threat is quite clear to those that don't reflexively spin his words to try and make him appear either intelligent or moral. He is neither.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3539

by Sunder » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:54 pm

It's tax season, and a growing number of non-billionaires are starting to realize that their refunds have either shrunk or disappeared entirely. About two million fewer Americans than last year will receive a refund at all.

Apologists will insist that this is actually good news since it means the govt. didn't withhold too much of their earnings. But this relies on them all being dumbasses who can't simply look at their check stubs and realize that in many cases roughly the same amount was withheld as previous years, they just got less back. That's a tax hike, Charlie.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3538

by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:28 pm

The argument was lost when Kirb et al posted and then pivoted off decontextualised and edited (partisan) versions of the interview.

At that point you know you are not dealing with a discussion made in good faith.

Trump,was responding to a question about the left’s tactics. He said they sucked and placed the left’s soy-lads at self risk. He tied the comic street goons to an overarching shift by the Dems to nasty combative tactics at all levels.

Pretty reasonable stuff post Kavanaugh. Or .....

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3536

by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:46 pm

Brive wrote:
Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie.
You must be able to read Trump's mind. The only provocation he mentioned in that tweet was he didn't want to get investigated by congress. Nothing about antifa starting fights during demonstrations or whatever BS you want to insert to muddy up the argument. If he didn't say it don't add shit that kind of props up your argument. That is a sign to me you lost the argument.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3535

by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:43 pm

Brive1987 wrote:Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie. And your ideological opponents were not.

Why are you too obtuse to understand this?
Because a) Trump has ALSO encouraged violence and aggression in the past (praising Gianforte for bodyslamming a journalist, promising to pay the legal expenses of people who got into fights to throw out people at his rallies B) we already had violence inspired by Trump's rhetoric in the past (the MAGA-bomber) and C) that's not ALL that Trump was saying:
You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
Here Trump isn't talking about Antifa or the "punch a Nazi" crowd. He's talking about Congress investigations. Unless you're into po-mo word games, investigations aren't violence, but Trump is talking about them in the context of discussing violence, and claiming to have support of the military, low enforcement and other "tough people".

This is very clearly an implied threat, especially since it comes from the man who is commander in chief of the military and in charge of executive power, talking about how "nasty" investigations are a way for things to get "very bad, very bad".

Why are too obtuse to understand this?

"Nasty business, that trial" says local entrepreneur Vito Corleone "you know, it's very funny that that wimpy prosecutor is playing it so though. I know some really though people, I have tough people on my side, but they never play it tough. Unless thing go very, very bad, capiche?"

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3534

by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:19 pm

Kirbmarc wrote:
Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am
They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?
So Trump, the President of the United States, can say that his supporters only behave "until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad" and relate this to "all the nonsense that they do in Congress" and that's no big deal.

But an anonymous guy on a forum hopes that people who are fond of threatening political violence will actually get violent, so that they can be identified and put down, and that's a call for genocide based on political affiliation.

The important thing is that "your" side is always the victim, I guess. Dugin's explicit calls for genocide are just Russian jokes, Goldy using Nazi memes is just provocation, Trump implying political violence is simply to trigger the libtards, the MAGA-bomber and Brievik are just "broken dollies" and it's all the fault of the Evil Libtards anyway.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a guy who is inspired by Dugin's ideas, Candace Owens, and other right-tards has opened fire on two mosques, killing probably more than 40 people. But he's probably a "broken dolly" too, and the libtards are probably to blame, 'mright?
Trump pointed out that the left was encouraging systemic aggression and violence as a means to an end. In an inverse sliding scale from Congress to the grass roots. And he pointed out that fisty cuffs wasn’t something you wanted to provoke when you were a latte leftie. And your ideological opponents were not.

Why are you too obtuse to understand this?

Re the individuals looking for a movement a la NZ. Because it it’s not a movement, I’ve got no idea what their objectives are and therefore what motivates them to crossing the line to pointless violence. It’s certainly nothing that inspires the vast majority of people concerned about cultural mismatch in the post national ‘society’ and the impotence of liberalism to provide universal meaning and structure.

Somehow 46,000 muslims have ended up in New Zealand. Needless to say, killing 50 is a low yield, high cost strategy. But then I doubt Mr Grafton was reacting to direct personal experience or perceived threat. Regardless of what he thought his goal was, he is clearly tangential to the main body of discussion and concern. But hey. Babies and bathwater eh?

As I intimated earlier, I suspect there is a conditioning mechanism in social media and the internet in general which finds expression across a wide swath of human experience. Siloing, dehumanising, addicting and changing mental health patterns.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3533

by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:37 pm

This guy is a useless commentator.... but... whatever floats your boat man.
:lol: That is rich coming from the dude that frequently posts Shirtless Satanist Jesus, and buy Brainforce PJ Watson.
Maybe if he makes a video that triggers the libs you might get a boner for him. :think:

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3532

by John D » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:22 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: Trump must have some blackmail on Lindsey Graham and it has to be worse than he's a closeted gay. WTF?
This guy is a useless commentator.... but... whatever floats your boat man.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3531

by free thoughtpolice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:20 am

Trump must have some blackmail on Lindsey Graham and it has to be worse than he's a closeted gay. WTF?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3530

by Old_ones » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:51 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.
I didn't call for "active ideological genocide". People who take up arms against the government are enemies of the state, and traitors, and they should get what they deserve. I'm tired of wannabe macho men talking about how they need to "preserve liberty" with their guns, and all this other bullshit. I feel the same way about Antifa, but from the look of it they are at least smart enough not to pick fights with the three letter agencies. Nobody should let these pieces of garbage intimidate them or craft policies to try to pacify them. If they rise up they should get the same treatment as al Qaeda. Period.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3529

by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:42 am

Extreme political polarization is hurting people over basically nothing. The alt-right actively revels in it, celebrating idiots like the Proud Boys, or dangerous authoritarians like Dugin, or "provocateurs" like Goldy who want people to get mad as hell, or Trump's idiotic "tough guy" Breitbart interview. It spreads stupid, dangerous ideas like the "great replacement/white genocide" memes, which trigger fears of existential threats.

But they're always blameless victims, according to you, Brive, because the SocJus exists and they're always spreading stupid ideas, or supporting "tough guy" moments like "punch the Nazi". And you put everyone who criticizes your idols in the SocJus camp.

I have some experience with people who are radicalized, and they reason exactly like you. It's not their fault that their side supports violence, it's the other side that wants to kill all of them, or replace them, or which has attacked first by invading Iraq/putting heathen troops near Mecca. They're just defending obvious ideas from insanity. The few who actually take the violent messages seriously are "broken" and it's all the fault of the "crusaders" anyway. And everyone who criticizes those things is just an useful idiot for the "crusaders" anyway.

Hell, lots of them are probably using the Christchurch attack as evidence of an incoming muslim genocide.

You have studied history. You should understand these patterns. Nothing good can come from this.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3528

by Kirbmarc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:27 am

Brive1987 wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am
They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?
So Trump, the President of the United States, can say that his supporters only behave "until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad" and relate this to "all the nonsense that they do in Congress" and that's no big deal.

But an anonymous guy on a forum hopes that people who are fond of threatening political violence will actually get violent, so that they can be identified and put down, and that's a call for genocide based on political affiliation.

The important thing is that "your" side is always the victim, I guess. Dugin's explicit calls for genocide are just Russian jokes, Goldy using Nazi memes is just provocation, Trump implying political violence is simply to trigger the libtards, the MAGA-bomber and Brievik are just "broken dollies" and it's all the fault of the Evil Libtards anyway.

Meanwhile, in the real world, a guy who is inspired by Dugin's ideas, Candace Owens, and other right-tards has opened fire on two mosques, killing probably more than 40 people. But he's probably a "broken dolly" too, and the libtards are probably to blame, 'mright?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3527

by Brive1987 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am

They are coming with torches already? Shit’s escalating eh?

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3526

by Kirbmarc » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:54 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.
I love the smell of straw in the morning.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3525

by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:41 pm

Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
An awkward moment to be the first pitter to call for active ideological genocide.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3524

by Kirbmarc » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:21 pm

Old_ones wrote:
free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.
I don't like these violent idiots one bit, but I don't think it's wise to wish for this. The Randy Weaver/Ruby Ridge case was part of what motivated the Oklahoma City bombing. Escalation is a real thing, and I'm not ready to cheer on it.

Political violence can get incredibly bad. This is why it's especially irresponsible for Trump to talk in these terms. You never know how your base is going to react to implied encouraging of violence.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3523

by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:12 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: I don't see it as any better in context. He talks about how tough his supporters are, like the bikers for Trump. Talking about police, military and bikers isn't a threat of violence? In context he is talking about retaliating against "investigations" as if the congress doesn't have a duty of oversight against possible criminal conduct in government.
On top of that, he then tells a huge whopper that repubs never aggressively investigated the dems or tried to impeach and remove Clinton for comparatively minor shit compared to stuff that is happening in the Trump sphere.
You must be joking, but you know Hannah Gadsby and Aussie humor doesn't click with everyone so I can't tell.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3522

by Old_ones » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:03 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote: If Trump gets impeached or if he loses the next election he will claim that the presidency was stolen and will incite his followers to violence. As the malignant narcissist he is, he doesn't care about the consequences.
Think Saddam Hussein when he was thrown out of Kuwait, threw a giant tantrum and torched all those oil wells, except Trump won't have enough support of the military or the police to pull that off and the Republican establishment will bail out when they see he is finished. More likely there will be some rioting by the bikers for Trump bunch and some terrorism by the militia/ Tim McVeigh crowd.
I personally hope these people violently resist, so that they can be put down. Preferably with lethal force. These fucking twats are always on about "taking up arms" but anyone who is familiar with the Randy Weaver case knows how that ends.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3521

by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:25 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote:
I suppose it's only quaint that I still think of things as intangible as "values" and "honor" as important precepts in politics. While they are rare, they at least used to be aspirations of both political parties. And while they differed in approach, both parties valued their country first, their party second.

*snip*
Hmm. Sounds familiar.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something, you use them as a punchline.
If both teams are sham, You do still get to wear the sham colours. One set is closer to traditional nationalism than the other. One set is closer to SJWism than the other. My working hypothesis is that both camps mobilise their own deluded but hopeful mass. If Trump doesn’t want to make America Great, you can bet Pelosi isn’t really weddded to making America fair.

Re: The Trump Dump!

#3520

by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:59 pm



I suppose it's only quaint that I still think of things as intangible as "values" and "honor" as important precepts in politics. While they are rare, they at least used to be aspirations of both political parties. And while they differed in approach, both parties valued their country first, their party second. I understood conservatism. I even agreed with a lot of the values.

There was a dynamism between the parties, wherein the worst of each area of philosophy was often hammered out in the compromises they made to make legislation, in running the country. It was deeply flawed, but functional. Now both parties seem to be corporate whores, although it seems clear (especially after that tax cut) that the Republicans are more egregious about it. Everything they do is a short-sighted grab at money, with lip service and the occasional bone thrown at their base. They speak fiercely of values, while showing their complete contempt for those values, all while so many lap it up. The Democrats often pander to the worst elements of faux liberalism and foolishly undercut one another in an attempt to appear virtuous.

Only a few Republicans stood up for the Constitution lately. Most have abandoned principles in order to suck on Trump's bloated teat.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:37 pm

free thoughtpolice wrote:
Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. ”
Context, how does it fucking work. :lol:
“A broken window in Congress leads to street crime and the breakdown of community”
Or something. :)

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:35 pm

CaptainFluffyBunny wrote: https..://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1106324146223570944

The reasonable left starts policing the extreme elements. Despite the howls of the right that her and AOC speak for the whole party.
Painful ingratitude. The old-school Democrats would be arguing for a new “porch nigga”.

So yes. The current framing is a step in the right direction. A polite face for minority engagement is important.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:29 pm

MarcusAu wrote:
Brive1987 wrote: He should charge for his advice.
Wasn't that the business model for Trump University?
Trump Uni was more an applied life lesson. Seminars in Ballrooms leading to costly additional classes ..... :lol:

Almost, but not quite as pernicious as addictive-by-design mobile video games with in-play purchases. Or neo-liberal economic policy.

Life’s a jungle.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by MarcusAu » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:01 pm

Brive1987 wrote: He should charge for his advice.
Wasn't that the business model for Trump University?

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:53 pm



The reasonable left starts policing the extreme elements. Despite the howls of the right that her and AOC speak for the whole party.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by free thoughtpolice » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:40 pm

Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. ”
Context, how does it fucking work. :lol:

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:38 pm

See my above. He was making a cultural/ideological statement. He wasn’t doing a tree diagram of his order of battle.

And he was warning the latte left to desist from inflicting violence on the tattooed right.

He should charge for his advice.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by free thoughtpolice » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:36 pm

Which isn’t used.
until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad
Investigations are nasty, really bad. What happens if they indict Donald Jr. for lying to congress, or that hot thot piece of pussy Ivanka for fraud during the inauguration, or worse still if they impeach Trump or he loses the next eledtion, which of course could only happen if the dems rig the election.
It turns out there are a lot of people that are gullible enough to swallow anything Trump says and even brainwashed and foolish enough to defend his statements when he is saying something outrageous or even dangerous.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by CaptainFluffyBunny » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:32 pm

Brive1987 wrote:
Kirbmarc wrote: A Very Stable Genius in the White House:

[tweet][/tweet]
As a PhD, I’m appalled you quoted a secondary source instead of going primary.

Whatever do they teach as school these days?
Trump’s comments came in a wider part of the conversation about how the left is more “vicious” than the right—and that the left in American politics plays “cuter and tougher.”

“So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... democrats/

Not quite the beat up the secondary partisans would have you believe.

Fuck me, what a cluster. I weep.
You really don't seem to see that the context doesn't help much, if at all. And it was a goddamn stupid thing to say in any case. Makes George W Bush seem to be a master orator by comparison. He doesn't have those people. They (except the bikers)only enforce the law, they are sworn to the CONTUS, not that orange bloviating narcissist. And adding in the bikers...jesus christ on a pogo stick, what a grotesquely immature thing to say. It's a fucking threat, there's no other way to put it. And his support from LE is a lit less than he thinks. You don't constantly diss the FBI for over two years and expect them to love you.

Re: The Trump Dump!

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by Brive1987 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:23 pm

No. He’s saying his supporters have a greater innate capacity for violence than the left. Which isn’t used.

Whereas the soy-boy limp-wrists are strutting about, applying violence against placid maga hat wearers.

I think he can see both the irony and danger in the left’s efforts to punch above their weight.

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